Joan of England Princess of North Wales 
Joan of England Princess of North was born about 1188 in of,London,Middlesex,England.1 Joan of England Princess of North's father was John, "Lackland" ("Lackland") Plantagenet King of England and her mother was Agatha de Ferrers. Her paternal grandparents were Henry II Curmantle Plantagenet and Eleanor of Aquitaine; her maternal grandparents were Walkelin (William) de Ferrers [Seigneur of Fer and Sybil de Braiose. She had twenty-three half-brothers and eleven half-sisters, named Richard De, Richard, Eudo, Geofrey, Henry, John, Ivo, Oliver, Oliver Prince England, Oliver, of, Richard FitzJohn of Dover, John, Odo (Eudo), Sir John FitzJohn, Henry III, Richard, Osbert, Henry III, Henry III Plantagenet, Richard , Earl of Cornwall and Poitiers, Prince of England, Earl of Cromwell, Richard of Cornwall, Osbert, Isabel La, Isabella, Joanne, Eleanor, Matilda, Joan of England, Joan, Princess of, Isabella of England, Isabel Princess Of, Eleanor and Eleanor Princess Of. She died in February 1237 in ,Abner,Carnarvonshire,Wales. She was buried in ,Llanvaens,Anglesey,Wales.1 General Notes
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ES III:356b credits John with two illegitimate children by Agatha deFerrers
- Joan and Richard.
"Magna Charta Barons" by Charles H. Browning, copyright 1969 (I'munsure of the overall reliability of this source), gives Joan's motheras Agatha de Ferrers, daughter of Robert de Ferrers, fourth Earl ofDerby.
The journal "The Plantagenet Connection" has published an ahnentafelof Elizabeth Plantagenet, wife of Henry VII, which gives Joan'smother's name as Constance (Clementia) of Brittany. This is the sameConstance who was married to Geoffrey Plantagenet, John's brother.Considering the well-known animosity between Constance and John andher attempts to press her own son Arthur's interests as far as thethrone of England were concerned (whom John murdered with his ownhands) the relationship seems unlikely. The Constance that historyportrays does not seem as one who John could easily seduce or coerceinto bed.
Others suggest her mother was Clemantina, the wife of Henry Pinel.
Penman, Sharon Kay. "Here Be Dragons". New York: Ballatine Books,June
1993.
Penman, Sharon Kay. "Falls The Shaow". New York: Ballatine Books,May
1989.
Lewis, Marlyn (compiler for "The Plantagenet Connection"). "Ahnentafelfor
Elizabeth Plantagenet (Wife of Henry Tudor): Generations 1-15".Arvada, Colorado:
Heliotrope Communications, 1996.
Wurts, John C. "Magna Charta". Copyright 1945.
Browning, Charles H. "Magna Charta Barons". Copyright 1969.
Adams, Arthur and Frederick Weis. "Magna Charta Sureties". Copyright1955.
Sir J. E. Lloyd's "History of Wales", Vol.II
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Ancestor Pedigree Chart
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*There are earlier generations for the ancestor(s) indicated. See their page(s) for details (click name)
- b.1043 in Anjou,France d.14 Apr 1109 in Anjou,France
- b.1092 in Anjou,France d.1143 in Jerusalem,Palestina
- b.~ 1059 in Monfort,Eure,France d.14 Feb 1117 in Fontevrault,Maine-el-Loire
- b.24 Aug 1113 in Anjou,France d.07 Sep 1151 in Chateau-Eure-Et-Loire,Le Mans,Maine,France
- b.~ 1060 in Maine,France d.1110
- b.~ 1096 in ,,Maine,France d.1126 in ,,Maine,France
- b.~ 1055 in Of,Chateau Du Loire,Eure-et-Loire,France d.1099
- b.05 Mar 1133 in Le Mans,Francia d.06 Jul 1189 in Chinon,Francia
- b.14 Oct 1024 in Falaise,Calvados,Calvados,France d.10 Sep 1087 in Hermentruvilleby,Rouen,Seine-Maritime,France
- b.Sep 1068 in ,Selby,Yorkshire,England d.01 Dec 1135 in ,St. Denis,Seine-St. Denis,France
- b.~ 1031 in Of,,Flanders,France d.02 Nov 1083 in ,Caen,Calvados,France
- b.7 FEB 1101/1102 in London,Middlesex,England d.10 Sep 1167 in Notre Dame,Rouen,Seine-Maritime,France
- b.1031 in Caennmore Scotland d.13 Nov 1093 in Alnwick Northumberland England
- b.Abt 1079/1080 in ,Dunfermline,Fifeshire,Scotland d.01 May 1118 in ,Westminster,Middlesex,England
- b.BET. 1043 - 1045 in Wessex,England or Hungary d.16 Nov 1093 in Edinburgh Castle,Midlothian,Scotland
- b.24 Dec 1166 in Kings Manorhouse,Oxford,Oxfordshire,England d.19 Oct 1216 in Newark-On-Trent,Newark,Nottinghamshire,England
- b.1026 d.25 Sep 1086 in Poitou,,,France
- b.22 Oct 1071 in France d.10 FEB 1126/1127 in France
- b.~ 1049 in Of,Bourgogne,,France d.> 1104
- b.1099 in Acquitaine,France d.19 Apr 1137 in Compestalla,France
- b.1040 in Toulouse d.1093 in Holy Land,,,Palestine
- b.~ 1073 in ,,Toulouse,France d.28 Nov 1117 in Fontevrault Abbey,Anjou,France
- b.Abt 1079/1080 in ,Dunfermline,Fifeshire,Scotland d.01 May 1118 in ,Westminster,Middlesex,England
- b.1122 in Chateau de Belin,Grunne,France d.01 Apr 1204 in Castillo De Mirabell,Francia
- b.1050 in Chatellerault,Vienne,France d.1092 in Chastellerault,Vienne,France
- b.1075 in Chatellerault,Vienne,France d.07 Nov 1151
- b.1054 in Of,Thouars,Deux-Sevres,France d.Deceased
- b.1105 in Vienne,France d.MAR 1129/1130 in Talmont,France
- b.1049 in Of,Isle Bouchard,,France
- b.1080 in Isle Bouchard,France d.1119
- b.1053 in Of,Isle Bouchard,,France
- b.~ 1188 in of,London,Middlesex,England d.Feb 1237 in ,Abner,Carnarvonshire,Wales
- b.~ 1036 in of,Ferrieres,Normandy,France d.1088 in Of Castle,Tutbury,Staffordshire,England
- b.~ 1062 in of,,Derbyshire,England d.1139
- b.~ 1040 in of,Gostenois,Normandy,France d. in Darley,Derbyshire,England
- b.~ 1100 in of,,Derbyshire,England d.< 1160 in ,Merevale,Warwickshire,England
- b.~ 1054 in Of,Vitre,Brittany,France
- b.~ 1072 in of,Vitre,Brittany,France
- b.~ 1054 in of,Mortagne,S-Mnch,France d. in Y
- b.~ 1136 in of,Oakham,Rutlandshire,England d.>31 Dec 1189 in of,,Normandy,France
- b.~ 1040 in Normandy,France d.17 APR 1113 OR 5 FEB 1113 in England
- b.~ 1065 in Of,Nottingham,Nottinghamshire,England d.16 May 1106 in Vp
- b.~ 1054 in Nottinghamshire,England d.19 JAN 1119/1120 in England
- b.~ 1114 in of,Nottingham,Nottinghamshire,England
- b.~ 1052 in La Marche,Normandy,,France d.~ 1123 in Dy Sp
- b.~ 1088 in of,Nottingham,Nottinghamshire,England d.> 1149
- b.~ 1062 in of,Marche,Poitou,France
- b.1168 in of Charltey,Staffordshire,England
- b.~ 1049 in Brienze,Normandy,France d.1087 in Bramber,Sussex,England
- b.~ 1080 in Bramber,Sussex,England d.1155
- b.~ 1053 in Barnstaple,Devon,England
- b.~ 1100 in Bramber,Sussex,England d.~ 1192 in England
- b.~ 1049 in Barnstaple,Devon,England
- b.~ 1084 in Barnstaple,Devon,England
- b.~ 1050 in Barnstaple,Devon,England
- b.~ 1151 in Bramber,Sussex,England d.Aft 5 FEB 1227/1228 in ,,,England
- b.1065 in of Gloucestershire,England d.1127 in Llanthony Abbey,Gloucester
- b.BET 1092 AND 1097 in of Gloucestershire,England d.24 Dec 1143 in Forest of Dean,Gloucestershire
- b.1130 in of Gloucester,England
- b.~ 1070 in of,Neufmarche,,France
- b.~ 1090 in Aberhonwy,Brons.,,Wales d.> 1143 in ,Gloucestershire,,England
- b.~ 1072 in of,,Herefordshire,England
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Joan of England Princess of North and Llewelyn Ap were married in a religious ceremony in 1206 in England.1 They had three sons and seven daughters, named Tegwared-y-Bais Wen ap Llywelyn, Dafydd ap Llywelyn , Prince of Gwynedd, Dafydd Prince N Wales, Gwladus, Angharad verch Llywelyn , of Wales, Helen Verch, Margred Verch, Angharad, Margaret Verch and Marared Drwyndon verch Llywelyn , of Wales.
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Children
Gwladus Wentelina Princess N Wales
Gwladus was born about 1205 in of,Wales. She died in 1251 in Windsor,Berkshire,England.
Tegwared-y-Bais Wen ap Llywelyn Fawr
Tegwared-y-Bais Wen ap Llywelyn was born in May 1205.1 He died about April 1235.1
Helen Verch Llewelyn Princess
Helen Verch was born about 1206 in of,Gwynedd,Wales.1 She died before October 24th, 1253 in of,Chester,Cheshire,England.1
Dafydd ap Llywelyn , Prince of Gwynedd Fawr
Dafydd ap Llywelyn , Prince of Gwynedd was born in November 1208 in Gwynedd,Wales.1 He died in Aberconwy,Arllechwedd Uchaf,Caernarvonshire,Wales.1
Joan of England Princess of North's second family with William "Black Will" de Braose Lord Brecknock
Joan of England Princess of North and William "Black Will" de Braose were married in a religious ceremony about October 1228.1
Family Notes
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One interesting story from Joan and Llywelyn's marriage: about1230/1231,
Llywelyn returned home unexpectedly to find Joan alone in theirbedroom with
William de Braose. This story is recounted in "Here Be Dragons" andone
other "purely historical" source. William was later hanged onLlywelyn's order.
From "The Genealogist" article by Wm. Addams Reitwiesner: He wasdiscovered in Joan's chambers, accused of being her lover, andpromptly
and publicly hanged. While the story that William and Joan werelovers has
been generally accepted, the Annals of Margam (in T. Gale, ed ,Historiae
Britannicae et Anglicanae Scriptores XX (Oxford, 1687), 2-18, [anno]MCCXXX)
implies that the "intimacy" was devised by Llywelyn to avenge himselfon
William for political injuries inflicted not only by William but bythe entire
Braose family; the execution was hailed by the Welsh as a vindicationof a
blood-feud against the Braoses dating from at least 1176. Indeed,shortly
after the execution Llywelyn wrote to William's widow Eva and toWilliam
Marshal, Earl of Pembroke, Eva's brother, stating, in effect, that sofar as
he was concerned, the intended marriage between Llywelyn's son Dafyddand
Eva's daughter Isabella could go forward as planned, and that he couldnot
have prevented the Welsh magnates from taking their vengeance. See J.Goronwy Edwards, Calendar of Ancient Correspondence concerning Wales(Board of Celtic Studies of the University of Wales, History and LawSeries, 2)(Cardiff, 1935), pp 51-52, nos. XI.56a, 56b. The marriagein fact took place three months later.
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