Mabel De Belleme Talvas 
Mabel De Belleme was born in 1015 in Alencon, Bell, France.1 Mabel De Belleme's father was William II Talvas De Belleme and her mother was Hildeburge De Beaumont. Her paternal grandparents were William I Lord Of Belleme & Alencon and Mathilda De Ganelon; her maternal grandparents were Arnulph II The Young and Susanna Rosele. She was an only child. She died at the age of 64 on December 2nd, 1079 in Troarn, France. She was buried on December 5th, 1079 in Abbey of Troarn.1 1 General Notes
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ID: I7894
Name: Mabel De Belleme TALVAS
Sex: F
Birth: Abt 1005 in Alençon, Bell, Orne, France 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Death: 2 DEC 1082 in Bures Castle, Truarn, Eure, France 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 of Murdered
Burial: 5 DEC 1082 Troarn Abbey, Truarn, Eure, France 9 10
Ancestral File #: 8JF1-JL
LDS Baptism: 25 MAR 1935
Endowment: 7 JUN 1935 Temple: SLAKE
_PRIMARY: Y
Sealing Child: status: Done
Event: Countess of Shrewsbury , Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England 11 12 13
Event: Countess of Belleme , Bellème, Perche, France 11 12 13
Event: Countess of Alençon 11 12 13
Event: Alt. Death 5 DEC 1079 Bures Castle, Truarn, Eure, France 12 13
Note:
Mabel was murdered by Hugh Bunel.
Name Suffix: Countess of Shrewsbury
Ancestral File Number: 9G84-JD
Most of the information contained in my files has been verified. However some information is "a best guess" opinion based on World Family Tree, Ancestry.com, Rootsweb and other sources. The information contained in my file may be used
Murdered
_RIN: 8621 1 4
_RIN: 8171 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 12
Change Date: 24 JAN 2004 at 10:00:13
Father: William II TALVAS b: 995 in Belleme, Perche, France
Mother: Hildeburge DE BEAUMONT b: 995
Marriage 1 Roger II DE MONTGOMERY b: Abt 1000 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
Married: 1048 in of, , Perche, France 1 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 16 17 18
Sealing Spouse: 6 MAY 1970 in LANGE
Note: _UID92DAE93C977AFF4AB8BCE0BC24CB5847894A
Children
Sibyl DE MONTGOMERY b: 1052 in St Germain Mntgm, Normandy, France
Roger III DE MONTGOMERY b: 1058 in <, Montgomery, Montgomeryshire, Wales>
Arnulph DE MONTGOMERY b: Abt 1066 in Montgomery
Matilda DE MONTGOMERY b: Abt 1020 in , Montaigu, Maine-et-Loire, France
Ralph DE MONTGOMERY b: 1062
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3. Title: Internet Information
Author: Brøderbund Software, Inc.
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Source Media Type: Family Archive CD
Page: Tree #0986
Text: Date of Import: Mar 14, 1999
4. Title: The Ancestry of William Hearne, the Merchant
Author: C. E. Lennon
Publication: Private
Abbrev: The Ancestry of William Hearne, the Merchant
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9. Repository:
Name: SLC - Family History Library
Salt Lake City, UT 84150 U.S.A.
25 N. West Temple Street
Salt Lake City, UT, 84150, U.S.A.
Title: "FamilySearch? Ancestral File™ v4.19"
Author: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Publication: (Created by FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service, 50 East North Temple Street, Salt Lake City, UT 84150, April 1, 1999)
Abbrev: Ancestral File™ v4.19 (FamilySearch?)
10. Repository:
Name: Kirk Larson
Laguna Niguel, CA 92677 U.S.A.
23512 Belmar Dr.
Laguna Niguel, CA, 92677, U.S.A.
Title: "Genealogical Research of Kirk Larson"
Author: Larson, Kirk
Publication: Personal Research Works including Bethune & Hohenlohe Descendants, 1981-2001, Kirk Larson, Private Library
Abbrev: Larson: Genealogical Research of Kirk Larson
11. Repository:
Name: Arnaud Bunel
Title: "Héraldique européenne"
Author: Arnaud Bunel
Publication: Coats of Arms for European Royalty and Nobility (http://www.heraldique-europeenne.org, Arnaud Bunel, 1998) , Internet
Abbrev: European Heraldry #2 Crests by Arnaud Bunel
Note:
"Armigerous" (ahr-MIJ-ehr-us) adjective
Bearing or entitled to bear heraldic arms.
The reason the notion of a family crest was brought into the language was that those who were armigerous (entitled to bear arms) used to put their crest or achievement (the full coat of arms) on their carriage, silver, etc. The stationers thought this an excellent way to sell more stationary and, in Victorian times, encouraged everybody, whether armigerous or not, to buy stationary with their "family crest" on it. There was no such thing of course and they used to sell it (and some still do) on the basis that "someone in your family or someone having the same surname as you was once granted this crest - as part of their achievement. Thereby they sold more stationery. And engravers flourished. The Heralds, meanwhile, lost a bit of business as their services (awarding coats with variations because no two people can have the same coat) were less sought after.
The Shields used are family Logos, each individual with armigerous rights had individual full coats of arms to reflect their personal achievements.
12. Repository:
Name: SLC - Family History Library
Salt Lake City, UT 84150 U.S.A.
25 N. West Temple Street
Salt Lake City, UT, 84150, U.S.A.
Call Number: 929/.2/0973 ED: 20
Title: "Royal ancestors of some American families"
Author: Call, Michel L.
Publication: (Salt Lake City (P.O. Box 11488, Salt Lake City, Utah 84147) : M.L. Call, c1989.), LC CALL NO.: CS55.C351989; LCCN: 89-188438 //r92
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NOTES: "August 1989"--Verso t.p. Includes bibliographical references.
SUBJECTS: Families of royal descent. United States--Genealogy.
Page: #409
Quality: 3
13. Repository:
Name: Kirk Larson
Laguna Niguel, CA 92677 U.S.A.
23512 Belmar Dr.
Laguna Niguel, CA, 92677, U.S.A.
Title: "Genealogical Research of Kirk Larson"
Author: Larson, Kirk
Publication: Personal Research Works including Bethune & Hohenlohe Descendants, 1981-2001, Kirk Larson, Private Library
Abbrev: Larson: Genealogical Research of Kirk Larson
Quality: 3
14. Title: Ancestors of Alexandra Catlin Vaut, et al
Author: Greg Vaut
Abbrev: Greg Vaut
Publication: ancestry.com
Abbrev: Ancestors of Alexandra Catlin Vaut, et al
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Author: Andrew Waite
Abbrev: Andrew Waite
Abbrev: Ancestral Tree, Waite
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Source Media Type: Other
Text: Date of Import: Apr 9, 2002
18. Repository:
Name: SLC - Family History Library
Salt Lake City, UT 84150 U.S.A.
25 N. West Temple Street
Salt Lake City, UT, 84150, U.S.A.
Call Number: 929/.2/0973 ED: 20
Title: "Royal ancestors of some American families"
Author: Call, Michel L.
Publication: (Salt Lake City (P.O. Box 11488, Salt Lake City, Utah 84147) : M.L. Call, c1989.), LC CALL NO.: CS55.C351989; LCCN: 89-188438 //r92
Abbrev: Royal Ancestors of Some American Families (Michel L. Call)
Text: DESCRIPTION: 1 v. (unpaged) ; 29 cm.
NOTES: "August 1989"--Verso t.p. Includes bibliographical references.
SUBJECTS: Families of royal descent. United States--Genealogy.
Page: #409
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TITL Royalty for Commoners: The Complete Known Lineage of John of Gaunt, Son of Edward III, King of England, and Queen Philippa
AUTH Roderick W. Stuart
PUBL 3rd ed., 1998, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, Md
OCCU Dame de Alencon ...
SOUR HAWKINS.GED; www.rootsweb.com/gumby says ABT 1026;
COMYNJ.TAF (Compuserve), p. 5;
Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 238,252 says c1015;
SOUR COMYNR.TAF (Compuserve Roots);COMYN4.TAF (Compuserve), p. 23 say ABT 1082;
Royalty for Commoners, p. 238 says 2 Dec 1079; p. 252 says 2 Dec 1082;
HAWKINS.GED; www.public.asu.edu/bgertz/family
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Mabel Talvas (de Alencon); heiress of Belleme and Alencon - Royalty for Common
ers, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 238; HAWKINS.GED says parents were William I &
Hildebourge - HAWKINS.GED
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TIME 16:43:55
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Ancestor Pedigree Chart
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*There are earlier generations for the ancestor(s) indicated. See their page(s) for details (click name)
- b.~ 0915 in Normandy, France
- b.~ 0942 in Normandy, France d.~ 0997
- b.~ 0919 in Normandy, France
- b.~ 0970 d.~ 1048
- b.0944 in PONTHIEU, AIN, FRANCE d.0981
- b.~ 0942 in France d.> 1004
- b.0946 in Ponthieu, France XX
- b.0963 in Belleme, Perche, France d.~ 1031 in Domfort
- b.0970 d.~ 1031
- b.0995 in Belleme, Perche, France d.~ 1060
- b.0975
- b.1015 in Alencon, Bell, France d.02 Dec 1079 in Troarn, France
- b.~ 0865 in Flanders, Artois d.2 JAN 917/18 in Artois (ancient Artesium/Atrecht)
- b.0890 in of, Flanders, Belgium d.27 MAR 964 in England
- b.0868 in Wessex, England d.7 JUN 929 in Flanders ? Wife of Baldwin
- b.0933 in Flanders, France d.1 NOV 962 in Flanders - reign from 950 - 4th Count
- b.0884 in Vermandois, Neustria d.23 FEB 942/43 in St Quentin
- b.~ 0910 in Vermandois, Normandy, France d.10 OCT 958 in Bruges (Belgium)
- b.0897 in Vermandois, Neustria d.0931 in France
- b.0961 in Flanders, France d.30 MAR 987 in ,Gand, Belgium
- b.~ 0897 in Burgundy France d.11 AUG 937 in France - King of Burgundy
- b.0925 in Arles, Bouches-Du-Rhone, France d.19 OCT 993 in France
- b.~ 0900 in Wurtemburg, Duchy of Swabia (Germany) d.11 AUG 967 in Burgundy - wife of Rudolph
- b.~ 0937 in Burgundy, France d.25 May 1008 in Westerbourg
- b.10 SEP 921 in Laon, Aisne, France d.10 SEP 954 in St. Remy Abbey, Reims, Marne, France
- b.0943 in Laon Champagne France d.BEF 26 NOV 991 in Arles, Burgundy, France - wife of Conrad
- b.0935 in Maine France d.5 MAY 984 in Reimes, Marne, France 5 May 0954
- b.0995 in France d.1067
- b.0850 d.0898
- b.~ 0880 in Italy d.0932 in Italy
- b.0850
- b.~ 0900 in Lombardy, Italy d.6 AUG 966 in Bamburg, Germany
- b.0850 in Friuli, Italy ?(Marquis and Duke of Friuli) d.7 APR 924 in murdered in Verona, Italy
- b.~ 0881 in Perugia, Tuscany, Italy d.13 JUN 910 in Italy
- b.0845 in Perugia Prov., Italy d.Dec 0915 in Italy
- b.0950 in (aka Rosela/Susanna) d.26 JAN 1002/03 in Gent, Belgium
- b.< 0863 in Arles d.~ 0898 in KILLED AT ORBE
- b.~ 0904 in Italy d.0936 in (Margrave of Tuscany)
- b.0863 in Italy? - Dtr of Lothair II d.8 MAR 924/25 in Arles - Widow of Theobald
- b.~ 0930 in Arles, Tuscany d.> 0966 in Bamburg, Italy
- b.0906 in Tuscany d.0940
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Mabel De Belleme and Roger were married in a religious ceremony in 1048 in Of, Perche, France.1 They had four sons and three daughters, named Robert II, Roger The Poitevin, Arnulph De, Robert de, Matilda, Sibyl and Marguerite de.
Family Notes
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SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 238 says 1055;
gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001 says 1048; www.rootsweb.com/gumby says
1048;
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 238 says 1055;
gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001 says 1048; www.rootsweb.com/gumby says
1048;
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 238 says 1055;
gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001 says 1048; www.rootsweb.com/gumby says
1048;
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ABBR Royalty for Commoners
TITL Royalty for Commoners: The Complete Known Lineage of John of Gaunt, Son of Edward III, King of England, and Queen Philippa
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PUBL 3rd ed., 1998, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, MD
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1048;
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 238 says 1055;
gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001 says 1048; www.rootsweb.com/gumby says
1048;
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 238 says 1055;
gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001 says 1048; www.rootsweb.com/gumby says
1048;
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TITL Royalty for Commoners: The Complete Known Lineage of John of Gaunt, Son of Edward III, King of England, and Queen Philippa
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SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 238 says 1055;
gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001 says 1048; www.rootsweb.com/gumby says
1048;
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 238 says 1055;
gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001 says 1048; www.rootsweb.com/gumby says
1048;
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 238 says 1055;
gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001 says 1048; www.rootsweb.com/gumby says
1048;
_MED Book
ABBR Royalty for Commoners
TITL Royalty for Commoners: The Complete Known Lineage of John of Gaunt, Son of Edward III, King of England, and Queen Philippa
AUTH Roderick W. Stuart
PUBL 3rd ed., 1998, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, MD
DATE 20 JUL 1999
22:13
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Children
Robert II De Alencon
Robert II was born about 1034 in Of, Perche, France.1 He died on May 8th, 1131 in a prisoner at Warner Castle, Dorsetshire.1
Matilda De Montgomery
Matilda was born about 1041 in Montaigne, France.1 She died in 1107 in Cornwall? - wife of Robert de Caen. She was buried in Abbey of Grestain.1 1
Sibyl De Montgomery
Sibyl was born about 1058 in Of, St Germain Mntgm, Normandy, France.1 She died in 1107.1
Roger The Poitevin Montgomery
Roger The Poitevin was born about 1058 in Of, Marche, Poitou, France.1 He died after 1102 in Dy Sp.1
Marguerite de Montgomery
Marguerite de was born about 1109 in LaMarche, Normandy.1 She died in France.1
1 Joanne's Tree.1 GED.GED
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