Probably all the family were baptised at Walmsley Presbyterian, and since many records were lost 1794-1815, which would explain why there is no baptism recorded.

Aged 31 in 1841
Aged 41 in 1851
Aged 52 in 1861 (with son Ralph)

In 1881, John was 72 living in Eccleshill

aged 37 in 1851, botn Entwistle (and John Edgworth)

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1853
MATHER    Jane    40    Edgworth        EDG/2/281

Name:    Jane Mather
Registration Year:    1853
Registration Quarter:    Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district:    Bolton, Lancashire
Volume:    8c
Page:    161

Aged 37 in 1871, born Entwistle

Name:    Charles Mather
Gender:    Male
Birth Date:    1 Aug 1832
Baptism Date:    26 Aug 1832
Baptism Place:    Independent,Edgworth,Lancashire,England
Father:    John Mather
Mother:    Jane
FHL Film Number:    0560880 (RG4 1038)

Died before 1911 (whe Esther was Widow with her son William)

In 1901, Charles, 69, an engine tenter was an inmate in the Blackburn Workhouse.

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1907
MATHER    Charles    75    Lancaster, Preston    LAN/86/96    

Name:    John Mather
Gender:    Male
Birth Date:    23 Aug 1834
Baptism Date:    21 Dec 1834
Baptism Place:    Independent,Edgworth,Lancashire,England
Father:    John Mather
Mother:    Jane
FHL Film Number:    0560880 (RG4 1038)

Died after 21 Dec 1834 and before 1841

John must have died an infant or young boy, possibly soon after Ralph was born, as John was missing from the 1841 census, and another John (born 1843) was in the family by 1851.  It is often the case that the next child to be born (of the same sex) is named after the child most recently died.

This record for Newbent Chapel, Leigh may be wrong but the family did stop using Edgworth Independent after Ralph was baptised in May 1835, so may have moved to find work (labouring and farming).  Also, its Presbyterian and the age at death is perfect.

Name:    John Mather
Birth Date:    abt 1835
Event Type:    Burial
Death Date:    abt 1836
Death Age:    1 (actually recorded as 18 months)
Burial Date:    28 Mar 1836
Burial Place:    Chowbent, Lancaster, England
Denomination:    Presbyterian
Piece Title:    Piece 1330: Chowbent, Leigh, Newbent Chapel (Presbyterian), 1793-1837

Aged 15 in 1851, born Entwistle

Name:    Ralph Mather
Birth Date:    5 Dec 1835
Birth Place:    Entwistle, Lancashire, England
Event Type:    Baptism
Father:    John Mather
Mother:    Jane Mather
Baptism Date:    29 May 1836
Baptism Place:    Edgworth, Lancashire, England
Denomination:    Independent
Piece Title:    Piece 1038: Edgworth (Independent), 1807-1837

Ralph was still alive in 1871
Probably died before 1880 when wife Ann remarried.

The Ralph that died in Chorlton in 1864 was 5.

Ralph did not die in Chorlton, Manchester in 1865, aged 31.  That is another Ralph, an organist from Hulme.

The Ralph that died in Ashton-under-Lyne in 1866 was 17.



Ralph Mather died Little Bolton 1881 aged 52, or 1902, aged 62.  This may be him as Ralph b.1840-1889 Aspull and b.1842-1872 Brindle/Withnell and 1845 Leigh are only other close matches.

Aged 20 in 1861, born Lower Darwen
Aged 42 in 1881, born Entwistle
Aged 51 in 1891, born Entwistle

MATHER, RACHEL        ENTWISTLE 
GRO Reference: 1838  M Quarter in BOLTON UNION 
Volume 21  Page 141

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1838
MATHER    Rachel    ENTWISTLE    Edgworth        EDG/1/76

Name:    Rachel Watson
Estimated birth year:    abt 1839
Registration Year:    1905
Registration Quarter:    Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death:    66
Registration district:    Blackburn, Lancashire
Volume:    8e
Page:    238

Aged 11 mo in 1841
Aged 10 in 1851, born Entwistle
Aged 20 in 1861, born Entwistle


MATHER, MARY  ANN      ENTWISTLE 
GRO Reference: 1840  S Quarter in BOLTON UNION 
Volume 21  Page 118

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1840
MATHER    Mary A    ENTWISTLE    Edgworth        EDG/1/313

Name:    Mary Ann Lingard
Age:    51
Estimated Birth Year:    abt 1839
Registration Quarter:    Apr-May-Jun
Death Registration Place:    Salford, Lancashire, United Kingdom
Death Date:    Jun 1890
Volume:    8d
Page:    55

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1843
MATHER    John    ENTWISLE    Edgworth        EDG/2/65

MATHER, JOHN        ENTWISLE 
GRO Reference: 1843  M Quarter in BOLTON UNION 
Volume 21  Page 134