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  TITL Here Be Dragons AUTH Sharon Kay Penman PUBL Ballantine Books, New York 1985   Library o f J.H. Garner     Book
  TEXT d. of King John & Clemence d' Arcy
  TITL University of Hull Royal  base (England) AUTH Brian Tompsett, Dept of Computer Science P UBL copyright 1994, 1995, 1996 usually reliable but sometimes includes hypothetical lines, my thological figures, etc    WWW, University of Hull, Hull, UK HU6 7RX  bct@@tardis.ed.ac.u k     Electronic
  TEXT natural d of John & Agatha Ferrers (with caveat "It is known that Agatha was a mistres s of John, but it is only supposition that she is the mother of his child)
  TITL The Royal Bastards of  eval England AUTH Chris Given-Wilson & Alice Curteis PUBL 1984 , republished by Barnes & Noble in 1995 REPO     Book
  TEXT issue of John, no mother
  TITL Ahnentafel for Margery Arundell AUTH Marlyn Lewis PUBL 08 Oct 1997       Manuscript
  TEXT issue of John, no mother
  TITL Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 AUTH Frederick Lewis Weis PUBL 4th ed, Genealogical Publish ing, Baltimore   J.H. Garner     Book PAGE line 149B pp 155-156
  TEXT illegitimate d of King John, no mother
  TITL Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America bef 1760 AUTH Frederi ck Lewis Weis PUBL 7th ed Genealogical Publishing, Baltimore 1992 Same ref source as earlie r ed, "Ancestral Roots of 60 Colonists who Came to New England 1623-1650" ed 1-6 good to ver y good   J.H. Garner     Book PAGE line 236, p 201, line 27
  TEXT natural dau of King John, no mother
  TITL Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy AUTH Alison Weir PUBL rev. ed, Pimlic o Random House,  London 1989, 1996   J.H. Garner     Book PAGE p 71
  TEXT natural dau of King John & Clementina, the wife of Henry Pinel, no date
  TITL Here Be Dragons AUTH Sharon Kay Penman PUBL Ballantine Books, New York 1985   Library o f J.H. Garner CALN   Book
  TEXT b 1191
  TITL soc.genealogy. eval       Book PAGE Chris Moore   TEXT b 1191  TITL Here Be Dragons AUT H Sharon Kay Penman PUBL Ballantine Books, New York 1985   Library of J.H. Garner CALN   Book
  TITL soc.genealogy. eval       Book PAGE Chris Moore
  TITL Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy AUTH Alison Weir PUBL rev. ed, Pimlic o Random House,  London 1989, 1996   J.H. Garner     Book  PAGE p 71
  TEXT d 1237, no place CAUS Chill turned into fever.
  _FA1 PLAC Interred:  Llanfaes, Anglesey, Wales
  _FA2 PLAC Her husband Prince Llewelyn erected the Friary of Llanfaes over her tomb.
  _FA3 PLAC Her coffin is in the porch of the parish church, Beaumaris, Ynys Mon (Anglesey).
  _FA4 DATE Aug 1211 PLAC Begged her father John to spare husband Llywelyn's life aft 2nd Wels h uprising.
  _FA5 DATE 1212 PLAC Warned John of English baronial opposistion overheard at Welsh court.
  _MDCL Dark hair & coloring. Hazel eyeys.ES III:356b credits John with two illegitimate child ren by Agatha de Ferrers - Joan and Richard. "Magna Charta Barons" by Charles H. Browning, co pyright 1969 (I'm unsure of the overall reliability of this source), gives Joan's mother as A gatha de Ferrers, daughter of Robert de Ferrers, fourth Earl of Derby. The journal "The Plant agenet Connection" has published an ahnentafel of Elizabeth Plantagenet, wife of Henry VII, w hich gives Joan's mother's name as Constance (Clementia) of Brittany.  This is the same Const ance who was married to Geoffrey Plantagenet, John's brother.  Considering the well-known ani mosity between Constance and John and her attempts to press her own son Arthur's interests a s far as the throne of England were concerned (whom John murdered with his ownhands) the rela tionship seems unlikely.  The Constance that history portrays does not seem as one who John c ould easily seduce or coerce into bed. Others suggest her mother was Clemantina, the wife o f Henry Pinel. Penman, Sharon Kay.  "Here Be Dragons".  New York: Ballatine Books, June 1993 . Penman, Sharon Kay.  "Falls The Shaow".  New York:  Ballatine Books, May 1989. Lewis, Marly n (compiler for "The Plantagenet Connection").  "Ahnentafel for Elizabeth Plantagenet (Wife o f Henry Tudor):  Generations 1-15".  Arvada, CO: Heliotrope Communications, 1996. Wurts, Joh n C.  "Magna Charta".  Copyright 1945. Browning, Charles H."Magna Charta Barons".  Copyrigh t 1969. Adams, Arthur and Frederick Weis.  "Magna Charta Sureties".  Copyright 1955. Sir J. E . Lloyd's "History of Wales", Vol. II

Details of Joanna of England's family with Llewelyn Fawr

Details of Joanna of England's family with William Black Will de BRAOSE