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PLAC Roi de FranceYounger son of Robert the Strong of Neustria, and briefly king of France (922-923), or West Francia. His decisive victory over the Northmen at Chartres (911) led to a treaty settling one group of these fierce warriors in Normandy.
Robert faithfully served his older brother, King Eudes, during Eudes's reign (888-898). Though on Eudes's death he became one of the most powerful Frankish lords, inheriting all the family lands between the Seine and the Loire rivers, he swore fealty with other magnates to the new king, the Carolingian Charles III the Simple. Nevertheless, he was already served in his domains by viscounts, officials usually regarded as instruments of regal power. From 911 onward, his role became more decisive: his defeat of the Northmen at Chartres paved the way for the Treaty of Saint-Clair-sur-Epte, by which Charles assigned them territory in Normandy.
Robert's military success greatly enhanced his prestige, and dissension between him and the King became undisguised. When Charles III imprudently offered preferment exclusively to lords from Lorraine, the Neustrian lords, led by Robert, broke into open revolt. They elected Robert king at Reims in June 922. In a battle near Soissons a year later, Charles's army was routed, but Robert was killed. His grandson was Hugh Capet, founder of the Capetian dynasty.

Source: www.eb.com

DATE 27 APR 2000

GIVN Robert I, King of
SURN France
NSFX [Count of Paris]
AFN 9G81-BX
EVEN France
TYPE Ruled
DATE 922 to 923
PLAC Verberie sur Oise,France
DATE 28 AUG 2000
TIME 22:29:31

EVEN
TYPE Acceded
DATE 922


NSFX Comté de Poitiers, Marquis de Neustria et Orleans
TYPE Book
AUTH Stuart, Roderick W.
PERI Royalty for Commoners
EDTN 3d
PUBL Genealogical Publishing co., Inc, Baltimore, MD (1998)
ISB 0-8063-1561-X
TEXT 169-37
TYPE Book
AUTH Å or c:Weis, Frederick Lewis
PERI Ancestral Roots
EDTN 7th
PUBL Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, MD (1999)
TEXT 48-18; 53-18aka Robert I de PARIS.
TYPE E-Mail Message
AUTH Ed Mann <EDLMANN@@MAIL2.LCIA.COM>
TITL Re: Charlemagne, lines of; Robert the Bruce, and Campbells
DATE 8 Feb 1998
LOCA GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@@rootsweb.com/PowerMac 6500>Applications>Reunion>Documents-source
DATE 8 MAY 2000

OCCU Rutpert IV ...
SOUR HAWKINS.GED says 825; members.aol.com/sargen3 says ABT 820, France;
misc.traveller.com/genealogy/gedhtml/kmilburn says 820;
gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001 says 820
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart,p5 says slain 15 Sept or 25 Aug 866;
The Conquest of England, Eric Linklater, p. 21 says 866;
ROYAL.THD (Compuserve) & gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001 says 866
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 126, 164;
gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001;
Count of Paris - COMYNI.GED (Compuserve); Charles the Bald in 861 gave the
important military command of Paris to Robert, count of Tours, called Robert
the Strong.  Robert, who fought stoutly against the Norse invaders was killed
in battle - The Conquest of England, Eric Linklater, p. 15
For the dispute on the parentage of Robert, see
ROBERT LE FORT, son of Rutpert III and Waldrada: THE PARENTAGE OF ROBERT THE STRONG  [EXCERPTED FROM: G.A. Moriarty's PLANTAGENET ANCESTRY; all material in double-quotes is a direct quote from him.]
"The question of the parentage of Robert the Strong, Marquis of Anjou, is not fully as yet settled and the erudits are not in accord.
"According to Richaer, who wrote more than 100 years after the time of Robert the Strong, who first occurs in 852, was the son of Witichin, as given on p.9 ante.  Witichin = "Young Gui."  In a very
doubtful charter he is styled "son of Robert."
"J. Depoin ("Les origines de Robert le Fort," REVUE HISTORIQUES, 1908; J. Calmette, "La famille de Saint-Guilhem et l'ascendance de Robert le Fort," ANNLES DES MIDI, 1928) and Chaume ("Robert le Fort
et ses ultaches bourguignonnes" in RECHERCHES
D'HISTOIRE [Dijon, 1947]) consider Robert to have been the son of Witichin.  The view at present most in favor, that he was the son of Robert (probably the Robert who was Missus in Touraine in 825,
cf. Boretius, CAPITULARIA, I, p.308), is maintained by
K. Glockman in "Lorsch und Lothringen, Robertiner und Capetinger" (ZEITSCHRIFT FUR GESICHTE DES OBERSHEINNS, vol. 50 [1936], p.301-54), and perhaps by the distinguished French erudit, L. Levillain
(in "Essai sur le Comte Eudes, fils de Harduin et
Guerinbourg," LE MOYEN AGE, 1937).  This second view appears in Winkhaus's
AHNER KARL DEM GROSSEN UND WIDUKIND, and is given on p. 211 ante.
"It is, I submit, quite certain that the Robertins originated in the Wormgau and all the erudits are in agreement that the mother of Robert the Strong was a sister of Eudes, Count of Orleans (d. 854)
and of William, Constable of Blois (d. 834) (cf.
p.216 ante).  (See J. Dhoudt, ETUDES SUR LA NAISSANCE DES
PRINCIPANTES TERRITORIALES EN FRANCE [1948], pp.93, 323-24)."
- ROBERT.TXT (Compuserve)
Rutpert IV "the Strong," Count of Paris, Tours and Wormsgau, Marquis of Anjou, Blois, Auxerre, and Nevers, Lay Abbot of Tours, 836-866 - Royalty for Commoner, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 126
Count of Paris, Wormgau, Anjou, Blois, Tours, Auxerre, and Nevers - p. 164
http://members.aol.com/sargen2/g0000015.htm#I2510 gives parents as Witithin (b. ABT 795, Saxony, Germany) and Geva (b. ABT 799, Jutland, Germany) - NPH
Robert I, Count of Paris; Marquis in Neustria - p. 191
Duke of Nuestria - http://gendex. com/users/daver/rigney/D0001/G0000056.html#I1367
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gumby/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=Winch?I12052 gives parents as Within and Geva- nph


GIVN Robert "Fortis" Duke of
SURN France
NSFX Count of Orleans
AFN 9G81-8L
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DATE 9 SEP 2000
TIME 16:34:13

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See Historical Document.

RELI Sources: Dee, Danielle Marie.  AOL user Dani Dee.  File uploar@@uiowa.edu.--Other FieldsRef Number: 4646477841
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DATE 14 MAY 1997

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GIVN Robert I King of
SURN FRANCE
DATE 15 Dec 2000
HIST: @@N860@@

GIVN Robert I of
SURN PARIS
NSFX Duke of France *
EVEN France
TYPE Ruled
DATE 922 to 923
PLAC France
duke Robert I of Paris succeeded Duke Rudolf of Burgundy as the rulerof France in 922.  His reign was short as he died in 923. Robert I wasa rival king of Charles III the Simple of France.
ABBR Trager's Chronology
ABBR SOURCE #337
TITL Kingdom's of Europe, Illustrated Encyclopedia of Ruling Monarchs FromAncient Times to the Present
AUTH Gene Gurney
PUBL Crown Publishers, New York.  1982
PAGE Gurney page 125.

Spouses:
1.X Adele, - born: ABT 860 @@
2. De Vermandois, Beatrix - born: ABT 880 @@ France

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ALIA King of /France/
SOUR World Family Tree Vol. 1, Ed. 1
Brderbund Software, Inc.
Release date: November 29, 1995

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SOUR World Family Tree Vol. 2, Ed. 1
Brderbund Software, Inc.
Release date: November 29, 1995


OCCU Count of Paris, King ...
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 98, 127 says 866;
HAWKINS.GED says 856; www.rootsweb.com/gumby  says 865, Bourgogne, France;
www.public.asu.edu/bgertz/family/d0000 says 870, Bourgogne, France;
SOUR Anglo-Saxon England, Frank Stenton, p. 345 says 16 Jun 923;
Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 98,127 says 15 June 923;
COMYNR.TAF (Compuserve Roots), p. 2, COMYNI.GED (Compuserve)
Descendant of Charlamagne - Anglo-Saxon England, Sir Frank Stenton, p. 345;
Robertin - COMYNJ.TAF (Compuserve), p. 8; Count of Paris and Poitiers, anti-
king of France, Duke of France, Marquis of Neustria and Orleans - Royalty for
Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 98;Anti-king of France, 922, Marquis in
Neustria and Orleans- p. 127; COMYNJ.TAF says mother was Alpaida-NLP;Royalty
for Commoners says mother was Adelaide of Alsace - NLP
ROBERT I, son of ROBERT LE FORT and ADELAIDE DE TOURS:
http://members.aol.com/bgrandall/g0000040.htm#I2169 gives parents as ROBERT LE FORT and ADELAIDE  (daughter of Louis I and Hermentrude) - NPH
http://www.teleport.com/~ddonahue/donahue/d0002/s0000127.htm#I2210 says parents are Robert Fortis and Adelaide (d. of Louis I and Hermentrude) - NPH

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GIVN Robert I, King of
SURN France
NSFX [Count of Paris]
AFN 9G81-BX
EVEN France
TYPE Ruled
DATE 922 to 923
PLAC Verberie sur Oise,France
DATE 28 AUG 2000
TIME 22:29:31