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Tom Magness writes...

Odo Carrio, now called Carew in Pembrokeshire in Wales to whom King Richard I gave Branton, co. Devon, as compensation for the loss of
Emlyn.  He granted Rebbard near Carew to the Knights Templar, 4 King John.  He married Margaret, da. of Richard son of Tancred of
Haversford.  He died about 1202.

His eldest son William de Carew, to whom King John restored the Lordship of Moulesford in Berkshire which King Henry I gave to his grandfather, Gerald fitz Walter de Windsor, succeeded his father at Carew and received the barony of Odrone, co. Carlow, from his uncle Reimund (Raymond le Gros)   He died 15 Henry III (1213)

Odo De Carew was the eldest son of William fitz Gerald, who succeed his father in his office as castellan of Pembroke, lord of Carew and Emlyn. He lived at Pembroke and died there in 1173.  He held 2 knights' fees in Hermitage, co. Bucks, and the Manor of Spershot, Co. Berks, 9 Henry II. His wife was NOT Maria de Montgomery da. of Stephen, Constable of Cardigan, ancestor of (Adam) Montgomery of Ireland (Sir Th. Phillipps). NEITHER was she da. of Kingsley of Cheshire, as Berry has her.  We don't know who his wife was,
but we know it was not either of these women. I have seen a note that he married Maria, daughter of Arnulf de Montgomery and his wife, Lafracoth, daughter of Muirchertach Ua Briain, high king of Ireland, but have not been able to confirm.  We know that William's brother, Maurice, married Alice,  daughter of Arnulf de Montgomery and his wife, Lafracoth, so it is possible, but the other two possibilities mentioned above are not.

Their other children were. . .

1.  Ramundus, surnamed le Gros, bur. in the Abbey of Morlana near unto Youghal, after whose death the Carews  were issued from Odo who had all his lands (in co. Carlow) but Raymond's natural sons, Walter and Richard, succeeded to the lands in co. Cork which he had of Robert Fitz-Stephen. Of this Raymond's natural children were NOT Lord Fitzmorice of Kerry, the Baron of Brentchurch, the families of
Pendergast or the Graces.  The Carews of Cork and the Redmunds of Wexford, yes.  But, the rest is pure fiction.

Raymond le Gros married Priscilla, da of Gilbert de Clare, sister to Richard de Clare alias Strongbow, Earl of Pembroke, ob. s. p. (Sir Thos
Phillipps and Berry call her Basilia).

2.  Richard fitz William called de la Mare (Tuckett) . . .  probably not true.

3.  Ralph fitz William (Tuckett) . . .  probably not true.

4.  William fitz William fitz Gerald, Justice in Eyre, co. Chester, ancestor of Gerard of Bryn Earl of Macclesfield and others (Sir Thos.
Phillipps & Berry's Surrey Pedigrees).  This William married the da. of Kingsley of Cheshire,

5. Robert (Tuckett) . . . probably not true.

6. Ida, mar to Walkeing de Harang (Tuckett) . . .  don't know about this one?


William Fitzgerald was the son of Gerald de Windsor, younger son of Walter fitz Other, Constable of Pembroke, temp. William I., to whom King Henry I. gave the Manor of Moulesford in Berkshire. (Berry erroneously describes him as Governor of Pembroke).  He married Nesta, da. of Rhys ap Thewdwr Mawr, last king of Deheubarth.

Nesta (Nest) had children by Henry I., Henry who was slain in Anglesca, of whom Myler fitz Henry, justicar of Ireland descended.

The other sons and daughter of Gerald and Nesta and brothers and sisters of eldest son, William fitz Gerald,  are

1. Angharad (Sir Th. Phillipps and Berry) mar. William de Barry, of Manorbier, of whom the Lord Barry, Visct. Butevant descends.

2. David, Archdeacon of Cardigan & Bishop of St. David 1148, ob. 1176.

3. Maurice, went into Ireland with Earl Strongbow and died there, of whom the Geraldines Earls of Kildare are descended. Derwent Mac Morrough gave him Wexford town and Henry II. took it away.

Gerald de Windsor was the son of Walter, constable of Windsor.  Walter did NOT marry Gladys, da of Rywallon ap Conwyn, Prince of North Wales (Berry's Surrey Pedigrees and other authorities).  His married Beatrice (Round).  Living after 1100, he died before 1116.

At the time of the Survey in 1086, Walter fitz Other held a compact group of manors as tenant-in-chief of the king in the counties of
Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Hampshire, Middlesex, and Surrey.   He also held Winchfield in Hampshire from Chertsey Abbey and a royal manor and some woodlands at Windsor.

The other children of Walter fitz Other

1. William, eldest son, of whom the Lords Windsor descend.

2. Robert, lord of Little Easton, Essex NOT co. Bucks, (Sir Thomas Phillipps).  barony of 10 knights fees.  He supposedly married the
daughter of Walter the Deacon who held Estaines at the time of the Survey in 1086, and was succeeded by his only son, William fitz Robert, who received confirmation of his land from Henry II.

3. NOT Hugh, lord of West Horsley, co. Surrey, (Berry's Surrey Pedigrees).  Hugh was the son of William fitz Walter, grandson of Walter
fitz Other.

3.  Maurice, dapifer of St. Edmund's.  Under Henry I., he held lands in Bedfordshire, Berkshire, Dorset, Essex, Middlesex, Northamptonshire, Norfolk, and Suffolk in 1130.  Confirmed in his land and offices by Stephen, he died after 1136 and was succeeded by his nephew Ralph de Hastings as his heir in land and office.

4.  Reginald, dapifer to Queen Adeliza (widow of Henry I.), living in 1136.

5.  Gerald, dapifer (stewart) of Pembroke Castle.  He was officer to Arnulf de Montgomery and a great favorite of Henry I., from whom he
received Moulsford in Berkshire.

Other was NOT Constable of Windsor as Windsor was a royal forest until 1066 when William I. started construction of Windsor Castle.  Walter is the recorded keeper of Windsor forest, not Other.  Other was temp. Edward Confessor which would be circa 1044 AD.

Source: Tim Sandberg's GEDCOM V. Oct. 29, 2001
WARNING! THIS GENEALOGY IS, AND WILL REMAIN FOREVER, A WORK IN PROGRESS. THE AUTHOR IS NOT A PROFESSIONAL GENEALOGIST, BUT HAS TRIED TO VERIFY ALL DATA. IT CANNOT BE GUARANTEED FREE OF ERRORS!