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ALIA Jadwiga z Marchii, d 24-12-903Matman <may_man@@hotmail.com>Subject: Re: Henry the Fowler's motherFrom:  Matman <may_man@@hotmail.com>Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 17:49:32 +0100William Addams
Reitwiesner wrote:>> "Todd A. Farmerie" <taf2@@po.cwru.edu> wrote:>> >James C. Woodard wrote:> >>> >> Is there any concensus on the ascent of Hedwige wife ofOtto?> >> >No.  Actually, Stuart, for
once, provides a reasonable reviewof the> >situation (although when it comes to showing the descent, heselects the> >same old bull).  There seems to be a general concensus thatthe name> >Henry was
brought to the family through Hedwige, but beyondthat> >nothing.  What can be rejected is the claim that she wasdaughter of> >Arnulf of Germany. This, unfortunately, was revived bySheppard in>
>Ancestral Roots (6th and 7th) crediting Stimmel, but of thesources he> >cites, Moriarty, Brandenburg, Winkhaus and Isenburg (the onesI have> >available) say nothing of the sort.  Stuart himself
statesthat one of> >the remaining does not contain the descent, while the soleremaining> >source, Saillot, cannot stand above the others, even if itdoes have the> >descent (which I somehow doubt).>
>> >What is in ES?>> The Schwennicke edition of ES, Band I, Tafel 3, says, aboutHeinrich's> parents:>>     Otto, HERZOG VON SACHSEN (880), GRAF IN SUED-THUERINGEN(874),>     +30.XI.912; oo 869
Hathui, +(906).>> Nothing more.>> William Addams Reitwiesner> wrei@@erols.comThere is quite a lot of german research into this. The currentconsensus (as summarised by E.Hlawitschka, in
RheinischeVierteljarhrblatter, 1974, p141ff) is that she was a daughterof Margrave Henry who died at paris against the Normans 28.8.886(healso often appears with other titles: Duke of the
Austrasians,isone of them). Her mother was (according to the same author) wasprobably a grand-daughter of St.Ida (d.c.820) and the SaxonCountEgbert (flor. 809-11).MattSubject: Re: Henry the Fowler's
motherFrom:  "Todd A. Farmerie" <taf2@@po.cwru.edu>Date:  Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:10:03 -0400Matman wrote:There is quite a lot of german research into this. The current >consensus (as summarised by
E.Hlawitschka, in RheinischeVierteljarhrblatter, 1974, p141ff) is that she was a daughter ofMargrave Henry who died at paris against the Normans 28.8.886(he also often appears with other titles:
Duke of theAustrasians, is  one of them). Her mother was (according to thesame author) was> probably a grannd-daughter of St.Ida (d.c.820)and the Saxon Count> Egbert (flor. 809-11).Isn't this the
same Egbbert who Kelley speculates was theAnglo-Saxon King Ecgbert of Wessex.taf
DATE 22 MAR 1998

OCCU Carolingian ...
SOUR http://misc.traveller.com/genealogy/gedhtml/kmilburn says ABT 856;
says 830; members.aol.com/sargen3 says ABT 856, Germany;
www.public.asu.edu/bgertz/family/d0000 says 870;
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 69, 131 says 906;
HAWKINS.GED says 903; members.aol.com/sargen3 says ABT 903;
al7fl.abts.net/green-page/greenged.html says 24 Dec 903;
SOUR COMYNJ.TAF (Compuserve), p. 10;
CHARLEMG.ZIP (GS);
COMYNI.GED (Compuserve), #1119 gives her name as Luitgarde de Karnthen - NLP;
There are serveral divergent views regarding the parentage of Hedwige.The line
shown here was supplied by Robert Stimmel for Weis' Ancestral Roots of Sixty
Colonists, 6th edition (1988) line 141. Stimmel reviewed the work of Moriarty,
Brandenburg, Isenburg, Saillot and others. The source cited is Charlemagne and
His Word, by Heer, p. 226. Europaische Stammtafel ... cont. in text file
HEDWIG DE BAVARIA, daughter of ARNOLD and CARINTHIA DE BAYERN, (vol. I, table 3, 1980) does not give Hedwig's parentage; nor does Moriarty's Plantagenet Ancestry - Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W.
Stuart, p. 131
Hathui (Edith) of Germany - http: //misc.traveller.com/genealogy/gedhtml/kmilburn/d0002/g0000094.htm#I2141
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gumby/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=Winch?I12007 gives parents as Arnold I (b. ABT 820) and Oda (b. ABT 820) - NPH

OCCU Carolingian ...
SOUR http://misc.traveller.com/genealogy/gedhtml/kmilburn says ABT 856;
says 830; members.aol.com/sargen3 says ABT 856, Germany;
www.public.asu.edu/bgertz/family/d0000 says 870;
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 69, 131 says 906;
HAWKINS.GED says 903; members.aol.com/sargen3 says ABT 903;
al7fl.abts.net/green-page/greenged.html says 24 Dec 903;
SOUR COMYNJ.TAF (Compuserve), p. 10;
CHARLEMG.ZIP (GS);
COMYNI.GED (Compuserve), #1119 gives her name as Luitgarde de Karnthen - NLP;
There are serveral divergent views regarding the parentage of Hedwige.The line
shown here was supplied by Robert Stimmel for Weis' Ancestral Roots of Sixty
Colonists, 6th edition (1988) line 141. Stimmel reviewed the work of Moriarty,
Brandenburg, Isenburg, Saillot and others. The source cited is Charlemagne and
His Word, by Heer, p. 226. Europaische Stammtafel ... cont. in text file
HEDWIG DE BAVARIA, daughter of ARNOLD and CARINTHIA DE BAYERN, (vol. I, table 3, 1980) does not give Hedwig's parentage; nor does Moriarty's Plantagenet Ancestry - Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W.
Stuart, p. 131
Hathui (Edith) of Germany - http: //misc.traveller.com/genealogy/gedhtml/kmilburn/d0002/g0000094.htm#I2141
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gumby/cgi-bin/igmget.cgi/n=Winch?I12007 gives parents as Arnold I (b. ABT 820) and Oda (b. ABT 820) - NPH