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Found in the Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem volume XV 1-7 Richard II:

Begelly, Pembrokeshire, the manor, with the advowson of the church, held by knight's service of William Wyndesore, who holds it of the heir of Carew by knight's service.

Remember Elizabeth Corbet, 2nd wife and widow of Sir John Carew (b. 1310) who married 2ndly John de Gournay and held in dower the lands of Sir Leonard Carew about this time . . .

William De Wyndesore born abt 1341, of Grayrigg, Westmoreland Cy, England, father Alexander De Wyndesore, mother unknown, sister Margery De Wyndesore born about 1319.

In the Complete Peerage under Wyndesore (of Cumberland) . . .

William de Wyndesore, son and heir of Alexander (d.1342/3) and his wife, Elizabeth (d.1349 during the Black Death), born 1322-28, a minor in 1342/3 but of age by 1349, became Lord Wyndesore (1383/4), married (c.1376) Alice Ferrers, the notorious court beauty and mistress of Edward III. He, like Sir John Carew, father of Sir Leonard Carew, served under Lionel, duke of Clarence, in Ireland (1362-66), who had been appointed viceroy by his father, Edward III (See his webpage within this site). William was King's Lieutenant in Ireland 1368-1371/2 and again 1373-1376, and is remembered as the true founder of the Irish Parliament. He held Dungarvan and Black Castle (c.1367) in Ireland. In 1376 he was allowed to buy goods in Ireland to provision his castles in Wales and in March 1376/77, he was among those lord with lands in Wales who was warned of a possible Welsh attack.

I find that he held land in Wales of a Carew to be fascinating, especially when you think about the possible Wyndesore/Windsor connection.

From the Complete Peerage . . .

The precise connection between the Wyndesores of Cumberland and the Windsors of Stanwell has not been ascertained, though doubtless one exists. It has been suggested that Alexander, the founder of the Cumberland family who held lands in Compton, Surrey, was a younger son of William de Windsor, constable of Windsor Castle, son and heir of Walter fitz Other, who held Compton, Surrey, at the time of the Survey (Doomsday Book) and whose descendants were overlords there until
1541.

In Burke's under FitzGerald, Earls of Desmond . . .

Alexander, 3rd son of Maurice fitz Gerald, held the lands of Compton from William de Windsor.

In the Inquisitons of Edward III.,

Writ dated 16 July 1363, and inquisition taken at Pembroke 12 September 1363, John Carew died "on the morrow of Whit Sunday last." (Day after Whit Sunday, which was the 7th week after Easter - 2nd of April in that year 1363, thus Whit Sunday was 21 May 1363. Death date of Sir John Carew 22 May 1363 - the day after.)

In the Inquisitions of Edward III.,

Writ to the escheator dated 27 April 1365 to take proof of age of Leonard Carew, son of John Carew, whose lands were in the custody of Philippa, queen of England. Thomas Cheyne, the escheator, "caused warning to be given to John Gornay, knight, and Elizabeth, his wife, the queen's farmers of the lands &c late of John de Carru in this bailiwick, and they did not wish to be present of send anyone in their place."

Writ of dedimus potestatem dated 20 July 1365 wherein a commission begins to investigate Leonard's claim that "the king has been deceived in assigning Elizabeth with dower rights of the manors of Camelton, Otery Mohun, and Monketon, Devon, and Andeport, Southampton, as these manors were given by William Chaylou (parson of the church of Stoke Fleming), Vincent de Berstaple, and William Stedham (vicar of the church of Andeport) to John and Margaret and the heirs of their bodies so that John had no estate in them except in fee-tail." Took a while, but a decision made 15 July 1367 in Sir Leonard Carew's favor.

He did not enjoy his inheritance for long, though.

In the Inquisitions of Edward III., Leonard died 9 October 1369. Thomas, aged one year and more, is his heir.

Supposedly, he died in battle while in the service of (his Carru, Pembrokeshire, overlord) John Hastings, Earl of Pembroke , but I have not been able to determine where.

As to where he died, see . . .

http://www.unipissing.ca/department/history/froissart/tales.htm

for a translation of Froissart's How Sir John Chandos Rescued the Earl of Pembroke.

Tom Magness, edited by John Young

Source: Tim Sandberg's GEDCOM V. Oct. 29, 2001
WARNING! THIS GENEALOGY IS, AND WILL REMAIN FOREVER, A WORK IN PROGRESS. THE AUTHOR IS NOT A PROFESSIONAL GENEALOGIST, BUT HAS TRIED TO VERIFY ALL DATA. IT CANNOT BE GUARANTEED FREE OF ERRORS!

Found in the Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem volume XV 1-7 Richard II:

Begelly, Pembrokeshire, the manor, with the advowson of the church, held by knight's service of William Wyndesore, who holds it of the heir of Carew by knight's service.

Remember Elizabeth Corbet, 2nd wife and widow of Sir John Carew (b. 1310) who married 2ndly John de Gournay and held in dower the lands of Sir Leonard Carew about this time . . .

William De Wyndesore born abt 1341, of Grayrigg, Westmoreland Cy, England, father Alexander De Wyndesore, mother unknown, sister Margery De Wyndesore born about 1319.

In the Complete Peerage under Wyndesore (of Cumberland) . . .

William de Wyndesore, son and heir of Alexander (d.1342/3) and his wife, Elizabeth (d.1349 during the Black Death), born 1322-28, a minor in 1342/3 but of age by 1349, became Lord Wyndesore (1383/4), married (c.1376) Alice Ferrers, the notorious court beauty and mistress of Edward III. He, like Sir John Carew, father of Sir Leonard Carew, served under Lionel, duke of Clarence, in Ireland (1362-66), who had been appointed viceroy by his father, Edward III (See his webpage within this site). William was King's Lieutenant in Ireland 1368-1371/2 and again 1373-1376, and is remembered as the true founder of the Irish Parliament. He held Dungarvan and Black Castle (c.1367) in Ireland. In 1376 he was allowed to buy goods in Ireland to provision his castles in Wales and in March 1376/77, he was among those lord with lands in Wales who was warned of a possible Welsh attack.

I find that he held land in Wales of a Carew to be fascinating, especially when you think about the possible Wyndesore/Windsor connection.

From the Complete Peerage . . .

The precise connection between the Wyndesores of Cumberland and the Windsors of Stanwell has not been ascertained, though doubtless one exists. It has been suggested that Alexander, the founder of the Cumberland family who held lands in Compton, Surrey, was a younger son of William de Windsor, constable of Windsor Castle, son and heir of Walter fitz Other, who held Compton, Surrey, at the time of the Survey (Doomsday Book) and whose descendants were overlords there until
1541.

In Burke's under FitzGerald, Earls of Desmond . . .

Alexander, 3rd son of Maurice fitz Gerald, held the lands of Compton from William de Windsor.

In the Inquisitons of Edward III.,

Writ dated 16 July 1363, and inquisition taken at Pembroke 12 September 1363, John Carew died "on the morrow of Whit Sunday last." (Day after Whit Sunday, which was the 7th week after Easter - 2nd of April in that year 1363, thus Whit Sunday was 21 May 1363. Death date of Sir John Carew 22 May 1363 - the day after.)

In the Inquisitions of Edward III.,

Writ to the escheator dated 27 April 1365 to take proof of age of Leonard Carew, son of John Carew, whose lands were in the custody of Philippa, queen of England. Thomas Cheyne, the escheator, "caused warning to be given to John Gornay, knight, and Elizabeth, his wife, the queen's farmers of the lands &c late of John de Carru in this bailiwick, and they did not wish to be present of send anyone in their place."

Writ of dedimus potestatem dated 20 July 1365 wherein a commission begins to investigate Leonard's claim that "the king has been deceived in assigning Elizabeth with dower rights of the manors of Camelton, Otery Mohun, and Monketon, Devon, and Andeport, Southampton, as these manors were given by William Chaylou (parson of the church of Stoke Fleming), Vincent de Berstaple, and William Stedham (vicar of the church of Andeport) to John and Margaret and the heirs of their bodies so that John had no estate in them except in fee-tail." Took a while, but a decision made 15 July 1367 in Sir Leonard Carew's favor.

He did not enjoy his inheritance for long, though.

In the Inquisitions of Edward III., Leonard died 9 October 1369. Thomas, aged one year and more, is his heir.

Supposedly, he died in battle while in the service of (his Carru, Pembrokeshire, overlord) John Hastings, Earl of Pembroke , but I have not been able to determine where.

As to where he died, see . . .

http://www.unipissing.ca/department/history/froissart/tales.htm

for a translation of Froissart's How Sir John Chandos Rescued the Earl of Pembroke.

Tom Magness, edited by John Young

Source: Tim Sandberg's GEDCOM V. Oct. 29, 2001
WARNING! THIS GENEALOGY IS, AND WILL REMAIN FOREVER, A WORK IN PROGRESS. THE AUTHOR IS NOT A PROFESSIONAL GENEALOGIST, BUT HAS TRIED TO VERIFY ALL DATA. IT CANNOT BE GUARANTEED FREE OF ERRORS!