of England, Joanna

Birth Name of England, Joanna 1a 2a 3a 4a 5a 6a 7a 8a
Gramps ID I2725
Gender female
Age at Death unknown

Events

Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Birth [E3653] BET. 1188 - 1191 of London, Middlesex, England  
1b 9a 8b
Death [E3654] 1236/7-02-02 (Julian) Aberconwy, Arllechwedd Uchaf, Caernarvonshire, Wales  
1 9b 2 7b 8c

Parents

Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father King of England, John Lackland Plantagenet [I2280]1166-12-241216-10-19
Mother de Ferrers, Agatha [I2724]1168
         of England, Joanna [I2725] BET. 1188 - 1191 1236/7-02-02 (Julian)

Families

    Family of Prince of Wales, Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth and of England, Joanna [F0399]
Married Husband Prince of Wales, Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth [I2726] ( * 1173 + 1240-04-11 )
   
Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Marriage [E28074] 1205 St. Werburgh Benedictine Abbey, Chester, Chestershire  
1c 6b 7c 8d
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
verch Llywelyn Fawr, Marared Drwyndon of Wales [I0676]BET. 1207 - 12101263

Narrative

[SUSANNA KEENE.FTW]

Chill turned into fever.

 

 

 

 

ES III:356b credits John with two illegitimate children by
Agatha de Ferrers
- Joan and Richard.

"Magna Charta Barons" by Charles H. Browning, copyright 1969
(I'm unsure of the overall reliability of this source), gives
Joan's mother as Agatha de Ferrers, daughter of Robert de
Ferrers, fourth Earl of Derby.

The journal "The Plantagenet Connection" has published an
ahnentafel of Elizabeth Plantagenet, wife of Henry VII, which
gives Joan's mother's name as Constance (Clementia) of
Brittany. This is the same Constance who was married to
Geoffrey Plantagenet, John's brother. Considering the
well-known animosity between Constance and John and her
attempts to press her own son Arthur's interests as far as the
throne of England were concerned (whom John murdered with his
own hands) the relationship seems unlikely. The Constance that
history portrays does not seem as one who John could easily
seduce or coerce into bed.

Others suggest her mother was Clemantina, the wife of Henry
Pinel.

Penman, Sharon Kay. "Here Be Dragons". New York: Ballatine
Books, June
1993.
Penman, Sharon Kay. "Falls The Shaow". New York: Ballatine
Books, May
1989.
Lewis, Marlyn (compiler for "The Plantagenet Connection").
"Ahnentafel for
Elizabeth Plantagenet (Wife of Henry Tudor): Generations
1-15". Arvada, CO:
Heliotrope Communications, 1996.
Wurts, John C. "Magna Charta". Copyright 1945.
Browning, Charles H. "Magna Charta Barons". Copyright 1969.
Adams, Arthur and Frederick Weis. "Magna Charta Sureties".
Copyright 1955.
Sir J. E. Lloyd's "History of Wales", Vol.II

Narrative

Records not imported into INDI (individual) Gramps ID I2725:

Line ignored as not understood Line 64023: 2 SOUR @S085410@
Skipped subordinate line Line 64024: 3 DATA
Skipped subordinate line Line 64025: 4 TEXT Date of Import: Aug 7, 2000

 

Attributes

Type Value Notes Sources
REFN 3091
 

Pedigree

  1. King of England, John Lackland Plantagenet [I2280]
    1. de Ferrers, Agatha [I2724]
      1. of England, Joanna
        1. Prince of Wales, Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth [I2726]
          1. verch Llywelyn Fawr, Marared Drwyndon of Wales [I0676]

Ancestors

Source References

  1. Sharon Kay Penman: Here Be Dragons, Location: Library of J.H. Garner [S11718]
      • Page: d. of King John & Clemence d' Arcy
      • Page: b 1191
      • Page: p 186
  2. Brian Tompsett, Dept of Computer Science: University of Hull Royal Database (England), Author Address: [S13227]
      • Page: natural d of John & Agatha Ferrers (with caveat "It is known that Agatha was a mistress of John, but it is only supposition that she is the mother of his child)
  3. Chris Given-Wilson & Alice Curteis: The Royal Bastards of Medieval England [S13160]
      • Page: issue of John, no mother
  4. Marlyn Lewis: Ahnentafel for Margery Arundell, Recipient: J.H. Garner, Author [S10339]
      • Page: issue of John, no mother
  5. Frederick Lewis Weis: The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named and Some of [S13024]
      • Page: line 149B pp 155-156, illegitimate d of King John, no mother
  6. Frederick Lewis Weis: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to [S10400]
      • Page: line 236, p 201, line 27, natural dau of King John, no mother
      • Page: line 254, line 236 p 201, line 176 p 151, m 1205, no place
  7. Alison Weir: Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy, rev. ed. [S10670]
      • Page: p 71, natural dau of King John & Clementina, the wife of Henry Pinel, no date
      • Page: p 71, d 1237, no place
      • Page: p 71, no date/place, had issue
  8. SUSANNA KEENE.FTW [S85410]
      • Source text:

        Date of Import: Aug 7, 2000

      • Source text:

        Date of Import: Aug 7, 2000

      • Source text:

        Date of Import: Aug 7, 2000

      • Source text:

        Date of Import: Aug 7, 2000

  9. usenet newsgroup soc.genealogy.medieval, Listserve: usenet [S13260]
      • Page: Chris Moore, b 1191
      • Page: Chris Moore