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References

  1. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. Birth, de Beaumont, Adeliza [E4125]
    2. de Beaumont, Adeliza [I3284]
  2. Seejay51@@aol.com, Laurette de St. Walery
    1. de St. Valerie, Laurette [I3976]
  3. ardchoille@@hotmail.com (R. Marsh)
    1. Howard, John [I5066]
    2. Death, Howard, John [E6255]
  4. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. Lord Warkworth, Robert FitzRoger [I0954]
    2. Marriage, Family of Lord Warkworth, Robert FitzRoger and de Chesney, Margery Lady of Hereford [E28268]
    3. de Chesney, Margery Lady of Hereford [I1102]
  5. Alan B. Wilson says he fought at Battle of Hastings (1066) & is mentioned at Battle of Mortemer (1054), pushing back his b. by at least 20 years to 1034. Mentioned as the younger son.
    1. Earl of Surrey, William de Warenne I [I3916]
  6. Chris Moore, b abt 1210, no place
    1. verch Llywelyn Fawr, Marared Drwyndon of Wales [I0676]
    2. Birth, verch Llywelyn Fawr, Marared Drwyndon of Wales [E0963]
    1. Prince of Deheubarth, Hywel 'Dda' ap Cadell [I4130]
  8. DonStone@@plantagenet.com (Don Stone), Rotrude's possible descent from Syagrius, great-grandson of Flavius Afranius Syagrius, is given by Settipani (1989), but see also Settipani's more recent comments (1990, pp. 20-3).
    1. Dss of Austrasia, Chrotrud von Allemania [I2190]
  9. Seejay51@@aol.com, d 1232
    1. Death, de Clifford, Roger [E3238]
    2. de Clifford, Roger [I2360]
  10. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. Giffard, Katherine [I0860]
    2. Death, Giffard, Katherine [E1260]
  11. Seejay51@@aol.com, d of Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth & Eve FitzWarine
    1. verch Llywelyn Fawr, Marared Drwyndon of Wales [I0676]
  12. Seejay51@@aol.com, d 12 Oct 1268/9
    1. Death, de Baliol, John Regent of Scotland [E4795]
    2. de Baliol, John Regent of Scotland [I3969]
  13. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. MacDonald, Devorguilla de Galloway [I3965]
    2. Marriage, Family of de Baliol, John Regent of Scotland and MacDonald, Devorguilla de Galloway [E28079]
    3. de Baliol, John Regent of Scotland [I3969]
  14. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. Mailly, Charlotte [I3979]
  15. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. de Baliol, John Regent of Scotland [I3969]
  16. Seejay51@@aol.com, b abt 1189, no place
    1. Birth, de Clifford, Roger [E3237]
    2. de Clifford, Roger [I2360]
  17. ardchoille@@hotmail.com (R. Marsh)
    1. Howard, John [I5066]
    2. Birth, Howard, John [E6254]
  18. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. de Estuteville, Robert "Fronteboeuf" II [I1276]
  19. Karen L. Austin
    1. verch Llywarch, Tangwystl Goch of Rhos [I4494]
    2. Birth, verch Llywarch, Tangwystl Goch of Rhos [E5490]
  20. Chris Moore, d of Llywelyn the Great & Joanna of England
    1. verch Llywelyn Fawr, Marared Drwyndon of Wales [I0676]
  21. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. MacDonald, Devorguilla de Galloway [I3965]
    2. Death, MacDonald, Devorguilla de Galloway [E4787]
  22. Don Stone, Dhuoda, wife of Bernard, Duke of Septimania, has recently been shown to have been a daughter of Sancho-Lupus, duke of Gascony, and his wife (probably a daughter of Aznar Galindo, count of Aragon). Dr. Renee Mussot-Goulard, professor of his
    1. de Aragón, daughter [I3403]
  23. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. (de Beaumont-sur-Oise), Judith [I3980]
  24. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. Birth, de Fontaines, Aleaume [E4798]
    2. de Fontaines, Aleaume [I3975]
  25. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. de Clifford, Maud [I0858]
  26. Seejay51@@aol.com, m abt 1232
    1. Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford III [I0857]
    2. verch Llywelyn Fawr, Marared Drwyndon of Wales [I0676]
    3. Marriage, Family of Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford III and verch Llywelyn Fawr, Marared Drwyndon of Wales [E28073]
  27. Cristopher Nash
    1. Earl of Cornwall, Rainald de Dunstanville [I3986]
    2. Death, Earl of Cornwall, Rainald de Dunstanville [E4808]
  28. DonStone@@plantagenet.com (Don Stone), REF: Van Dam, Raymond. 1985. Leadership and Community in Late Antique Gaul. Berkeley: University of California Press.
    1. Ferreolus, Tonantius 'Vis Clarisimus' II [I4658]
  29. Seejay51@@aol.com, d aft 1263/4
    1. verch Llywelyn Fawr, Marared Drwyndon of Wales [I0676]
    2. Death, verch Llywelyn Fawr, Marared Drwyndon of Wales [E0964]
  30. m aft 1048
    1. Marriage, Family of Earl of Shrewsbury, Roger de Montgomerie II and de Alençon-Bellême, Mabel Talvas [E28373]
    2. Earl of Shrewsbury, Roger de Montgomerie II [I4369]
    3. de Alençon-Bellême, Mabel Talvas [I4370]
  31. Seejay51@@aol.com, no title other than Sir Knight
    1. Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford III [I0857]
    1. de Eychingham, James [I1004]
  33. Chris Moore, b abt 1235
    1. Birth, de Clifford, Maud [E1254]
    2. de Clifford, Maud [I0858]
  34. Chris Moore, no parents shown
    1. Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford III [I0857]
  35. ggs of Wm de Mauduit & Maud de Hanslape
    1. Lord Mauduit, William de Mauduit V [I0724]
  36. Seejay51@@aol.com, Walter de Clifford II, no parents, no title
    1. Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford II [I0853]
  37. Stein N. Wisted snw@@sorco.no, b 845
    1. Ct of Flanders, Baudouin I Bras der Fer [I2147]
    2. Birth, Ct of Flanders, Baudouin I Bras der Fer [E2905]
  38. Chris Moore, d 1263, no place
    1. Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford III [I0857]
    2. Death, Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford III [E1253]
  39. b2fricke@@netunlimited.net, d 1170
    1. Lord Kendal, William de Lancastria [I1273]
    2. Death, Lord Kendal, William de Lancastria [E1831]
  40. Seejay51@@aol.com, Agnes de Cundy
    1. de Condet, Agnes Lady of Cavenby [I2359]
  41. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. Marriage, Family of Lord Coventry, Roger de Condet and de Cheney, Alice Lady Horncastle [E28730]
    2. de Cheney, Alice Lady Horncastle [I3982]
    3. Lord Coventry, Roger de Condet [I3170]
  42. Seejay51@@aol.com, Roger de Cundy Lord Coventry
    1. Lord Coventry, Roger de Condet [I3170]
  43. Chris Moore, b 1232
    1. Lord Giffard, John Giffard [I0859]
    2. Birth, Lord Giffard, John Giffard [E1257]
  44. Stein N. Wisted snw@@sorco.no, no date
    1. King of West Franks, Charles II the Bald [I2145]
    2. de Orléans, Ermentrude [I2146]
    3. Marriage, Family of King of West Franks, Charles II the Bald and de Orléans, Ermentrude [E28638]
  45. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. Birth, de Fontaines, William [E4801]
    2. de Fontaines, William [I3978]
  46. Stein N. Wisted snw@@sorco.no, no date/place
    1. Marriage, Family of Ct of Flanders, Baudouin II the Bald and of Wessex, AElfthryth [E28626]
    2. Ct of Flanders, Baudouin II the Bald [I4117]
    3. of Wessex, AElfthryth [I5006]
  47. Leo van de Pas leovdpas@@mail.iinet.net.au, m 1001, his 3rd m Sources: Isenburg and Schwennicke Volume II page 11
    1. King of France, Robert II Capet the Pious [I3425]
    2. de Arles, Constance [I3424]
    3. Marriage, Family of King of France, Robert II Capet the Pious and de Arles, Constance [E28534]
  48. Seejay51@@aol.com, Enguerrand Fontaine
    1. de Fontaines, Enguerrand [I3977]
  49. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. de St. Valerie, Laurette [I3976]
    2. Marriage, Family of de Fontaines, Aleaume and de St. Valerie, Laurette [E28932]
    3. de Fontaines, Aleaume [I3975]
  50. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. de St. Valerie, Laurette [I3976]
    2. Birth, de St. Valerie, Laurette [E4799]
  51. Title only; see individual notes for son in law Hywel ap Cadell.
    1. King of Dyfed, Llywarch ap Hyfaidd [I1967]
  52. Alan B. Wilson
    1. Death, de Pont-Audemer, Josceline [E1986]
    2. de Pont-Audemer, Josceline [I1418]
  53. Stein N. Wisted snw@@sorco.no
    1. Ct of Flanders, Baudouin I Bras der Fer [I2147]
    2. Death, Ct of Flanders, Baudouin I Bras der Fer [E2906]
  54. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford II [I0853]
    2. Marriage, Family of Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford II and de Condet, Agnes Lady of Cavenby [E28215]
    3. de Condet, Agnes Lady of Cavenby [I2359]
  55. Seejay51@@aol.com, Devorgilla de Galloway, d of Alan Lord Galloway & Margaret Princess of Scotland
    1. MacDonald, Devorguilla de Galloway [I3965]
  56. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. de Verdun, Roger [I3981]
  57. Seejay51@@aol.com, d 1263/64
    1. Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford III [I0857]
    2. Death, Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford III [E1253]
  58. Luke Stevens, son of Gwyn ap Collwyn ap Ednowain
    1. ap Gwyn, Caradoc [I2430]
  59. Luke Stevens
    1. ap Ednowain, Collwyn [I3081]
    1. Death, King of Deheubarth, Rhys ap Tewdwr Mawr [E5480]
    2. King of Deheubarth, Rhys ap Tewdwr Mawr [I4485]
  61. Seejay51@@aol.com, b 1178
    1. Birth, de Ewyas, Sibyl [E1445]
    2. de Ewyas, Sibyl [I0996]
  62. Seejay51@@aol.com, b abt 1234
    1. Birth, de Clifford, Maud [E1254]
    2. de Clifford, Maud [I0858]
  63. b2fricke@@netunlimited.net, s of Gilbert Baron Kendal
    1. Lord Kendal, William de Lancastria [I1273]
  64. Seejay51@@aol.com, b 1269/72
    1. Birth, Giffard, Katherine [E1259]
    2. Giffard, Katherine [I0860]
  65. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. Birth, de Fontaines, Enguerrand [E4800]
    2. de Fontaines, Enguerrand [I3977]
  66. Seejay51@@aol.com, Aleaume Fontaine
    1. de Fontaines, Aleaume [I3975]
  67. Seejay51@@aol.com, Robert Clavering, no parents
    1. Lord Warkworth, Robert FitzRoger [I0954]
  68. Alan B. Wilson has him s. of Beatrix de Vascoeuil & Rudolph de Warenne
    1. de Mortimer, Roger [I1217]
  69. Alan B. Wilson srce for Title, no mention of his parentage
    1. Vct of Heimois, Hugh de Montgomerie [I1229]
  70. Chris Moore, d 1282/1285, no place
    1. de Clifford, Maud [I0858]
    2. Death, de Clifford, Maud [E1255]
    1. ap Ynyr, Tudur 'Trefor' [I1982]
    2. Death, ap Ynyr, Tudur 'Trefor' [E2690]
  72. Chris Moore
    1. Death, of England, Joanna [E3654]
    2. of England, Joanna [I2725]
  73. Seejay51@@aol.com, b abt 1150
    1. Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford II [I0853]
    2. Birth, Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford II [E1243]
  74. KRothinVA@@aol.com, b abt 1095, no place
    1. Birth, FitzHarding, Robert "the Devout" [E1501]
    2. FitzHarding, Robert "the Devout" [I1032]
  75. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. Lord Gainford, Hugh de Baliol [I0680]
    2. de Fontaines, Cecily [I3290]
    3. Marriage, Family of Lord Gainford, Hugh de Baliol and de Fontaines, Cecily [E28076]
  76. Chris Moore, b abt 1200
    1. Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford III [I0857]
    2. Birth, Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford III [E1252]
  77. Seejay51@@aol.com, b abt 1210
    1. verch Llywelyn Fawr, Marared Drwyndon of Wales [I0676]
    2. Birth, verch Llywelyn Fawr, Marared Drwyndon of Wales [E0963]
  78. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. Marriage, Family of de Fontaines, William and Mailly, Charlotte [E29114]
    2. de Fontaines, William [I3978]
    3. Mailly, Charlotte [I3979]
  79. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. de Estuteville, Robert "Fronteboeuf" II [I1276]
    2. Birth, de Estuteville, Robert "Fronteboeuf" II [E1834]
  80. Chris Moore, no title, no parents
    1. Lord Giffard, John Giffard [I0859]
  81. DonStone@@plantagenet.com (Don Stone), Most modern authorities give Charlemagne's birth year as 747, but Settipani and Van Kerrebrouck (1993) give 748; see their detailed analysis in note 3, p. 191.
    1. King of Franks, Charlemagne [I2152]
  82. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. Lord Gainford, Hugh de Baliol [I0680]
    2. Birth, Lord Gainford, Hugh de Baliol [E0969]
  83. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. de Fontaines, William [I3978]
  84. Chris Moore, b 1172
    1. Prince of Wales, Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth [I2726]
    2. Birth, Prince of Wales, Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth [E3655]
  85. Seejay51@@aol.com, Cecily de la Fontaine
    1. de Fontaines, Cecily [I3290]
  86. Luke Stevens
    1. ap Collwyn, Gwyn [I2097]
  87. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. Birth, de Estuteville, Robert "Fronteboeuf" [E4127]
    2. de Estuteville, Robert "Fronteboeuf" [I3288]
  88. Dr Suzanne Doig smd49@@csc.canterbury.ac.nz, b ca 1057
    1. Duke of Burgundy, Hugh Capet Magnus de Crépi [I3423]
    2. Birth, Duke of Burgundy, Hugh Capet Magnus de Crépi [E4203]
  89. Dave utz@@aol.com, d of Richard de Clare, no mother
    1. de Clare, Matilda [I0805]
  90. Seejay51@@aol.com, ttheir children were born between 1287 & 1291, her 2nd marriage was in 1293
    1. Giffard, Katherine [I0860]
    2. de Audley, Nicholas [I0861]
    3. Marriage, Family of de Audley, Nicholas and Giffard, Katherine [E28221]
  91. Stein N. Wisted snw@@sorco.no
    1. Death, of the West Franks, Judith [E6220]
    2. of the West Franks, Judith [I5036]
  92. leovdpas@@iinet.net.au (Leo van de Pas), NN de Conde (with accent on e)
    1. de Condé, Isabel [I5009]
  93. DonStone@@plantagenet.com (Don Stone), Rotrude's possible descent from Syagrius, great-grandson of Flavius Afranius Syagrius, is given by Settipani (1989), but see also Settipani's more recent comments (1990, pp. 20-3).
    1. Martel, Charles the Hammer Duke of Antrim [I2191]
    2. Dss of Austrasia, Chrotrud von Allemania [I2190]
    3. Marriage, Family of Martel, Charles the Hammer Duke of Antrim and Dss of Austrasia, Chrotrud von Allemania [E28659]
  94. Stein N. Wisted snw@@sorco.no
    1. of the West Franks, Judith [I5036]
  95. Stein N. Wisted snw@@sorco.no
    1. King of West Franks, Charles II the Bald [I2145]
  96. Don Stone, Dhuoda, wife of Bernard, Duke of Septimania, has recently been shown to have been a daughter of Sancho-Lupus, duke of Gascony, and his wife (probably a daughter of Aznar Galindo, count of Aragon). Dr. Renee Mussot-Goulard, professor of his
    1. Duke of Gascony, Lope Sancho [I0989]
    2. de Aragón, daughter [I3403]
    3. Marriage, Family of Duke of Gascony, Lope Sancho and de Aragón, daughter [E28286]
  97. Seejay51@@aol.com, d aft Dec 1282
    1. de Clifford, Maud [I0858]
    2. Death, de Clifford, Maud [E1255]
  98. Chris Moore
    1. Lord Giffard, John Giffard [I0859]
    2. Death, Lord Giffard, John Giffard [E1258]
  99. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. (de Beaumont-sur-Oise), Judith [I3980]
    2. Ct of Beaumont-sur-Oise, Yves II de Beaumont [I3287]
    3. Marriage, Family of Ct of Beaumont-sur-Oise, Yves II de Beaumont and (de Beaumont-sur-Oise), Judith [E28931]
  100. Don Stone, Dhuoda, wife of Bernard, Duke of Septimania, has recently been shown to have been a daughter of Sancho-Lupus, duke of Gascony, and his wife (probably a daughter of Aznar Galindo, count of Aragon). Dr. Renee Mussot-Goulard, professor of his
    1. de Gascogne, Dhuoda Duodene [I4189]
  101. Seejay51@@aol.com, b abt 1221/1231
    1. Birth, Lord Clifford, Roger de Clifford II [E3394]
    2. Lord Clifford, Roger de Clifford II [I2475]
  102. Seejay51@@aol.com, d 22 Jan 1222
    1. Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford II [I0853]
    2. Death, Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford II [E1244]
  103. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. MacDonald, Devorguilla de Galloway [I3965]
    2. Birth, MacDonald, Devorguilla de Galloway [E4786]
  104. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. de Beaumont, Adeliza [I3284]
  105. Stein N. Wisted snw@@sorco.no, no date
    1. King of France, Louis I the Pious de Aquitaine [I2150]
    2. Marriage, Family of King of France, Louis I the Pious de Aquitaine and von Bayern, Judith the Fair [E28639]
    3. von Bayern, Judith the Fair [I2523]
  106. As father of Trahaern ap Caradog, only his first name is certain. The earlier names in the various versions of his pedigree (which vary widely from one manuscript source to another) are probably late inventions.
    1. ap Gwyn, Caradoc [I2430]
  107. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. de Estuteville, Robert "Fronteboeuf" II [I1276]
    2. de Beaumont, Adeliza [I3284]
    3. Marriage, Family of de Estuteville, Robert "Fronteboeuf" II and de Beaumont, Adeliza [E28409]
  108. Stein N. Wisted snw@@sorco.no
    1. Birth, of the West Franks, Judith [E6219]
    2. of the West Franks, Judith [I5036]
  109. Seejay51@@aol.com, born at Barnard Castle, Gainford, Durham, England
    1. de Baliol, John Regent of Scotland [I3969]
    2. Birth, de Baliol, John Regent of Scotland [E4794]
  110. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. de Fontaines, Cecily [I3290]
    2. Birth, de Fontaines, Cecily [E4128]
  111. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. de Cheney, Alice Lady Horncastle [I3982]
  112. Chris Moore, b 1191
    1. of England, Joanna [I2725]
    2. Birth, of England, Joanna [E3653]
  113. leovdpas@@iinet.net.au (Leo van de Pas), d given date, no place
    1. Ct of Fiennes, Sir William de Fiennes II [I4999]
    2. Death, Ct of Fiennes, Sir William de Fiennes II [E6173]
  114. Stein N. Wisted snw@@sorco.no, Aelfthryth, d of Alfred, no mother
    1. of Wessex, AElfthryth [I5006]
  115. Chris Moore, d 1263 no place
    1. verch Llywelyn Fawr, Marared Drwyndon of Wales [I0676]
    2. Death, verch Llywelyn Fawr, Marared Drwyndon of Wales [E0964]
  116. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. Birth, de Condet, Agnes Lady of Cavenby [E3235]
    2. de Condet, Agnes Lady of Cavenby [I2359]
  117. Seejay51@@aol.com, d 1236
    1. Death, de Ewyas, Sibyl [E1446]
    2. de Ewyas, Sibyl [I0996]
  118. b abt 1186
    1. Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford III [I0857]
    2. Birth, Lord Clifford, Walter de Clifford III [E1252]
  119. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. de Beaumont, Adeliza [I3284]
    2. Death, de Beaumont, Adeliza [E4126]
  120. Seejay51@@aol.com
    1. Birth, Mailly, Charlotte [E4802]
    2. Mailly, Charlotte [I3979]
  121. Chris Moore
    1. de Clifford, Maud [I0858]
  122. Seejay51@@aol.com, Margaret Cheney, no parents
    1. de Chesney, Margery Lady of Hereford [I1102]