John [1831,1841-Ballystrone] Finlay

Finlay Hse_09 Ballystrone Death John Finlay Commons 1879 aged 77 John Finlay Ballystrone Plot 2 GV John Finlay Ballystrone Plot 2 GV map John Finlay Ballystrone Plot 2 GV map close up John Finlay Ballystrone Plot 2 GV aerial view Death Notice John Finlay of Ballystrone Coleraine Chronicle 22 Feb 1879 Sandy Council at Finlay home 01 Sandy Council at Finlay Home 02

John was born in 1802.

• Birth Notes

  Source, aged 77 at death in 1879.

John's father was ???? Finlay and his mother was ???? ????. He had two brothers named Samuel and Matthew.  He died at the age of 77 on February 18th, 1879.

• Death Notes

  SS: Finally found John's obit Coleraine Chronicle Saturday 2/22/1879
  Feb. 15,1879 Finlay at his residence Long Commons Coleraine John (late of Ballystrone, Dunboe) farmer, aged 77.
  Enjoyed our day in Coleraine. I left my Finlay stone in your car. Please save until next I return.
  Will be in touch soon.
  Sue
  
  Name    JOHN FINLAY
  Year of Death    1879
  Group Registration ID    6942083
  SR District/Reg Area    Coleraine
  Deceased Age at Death    77
  Image
  John Finlay died 18/02/1879, age 77, Commoms, Coleraine, married, farmer, bronchitis 1 month, uncertified, no medical attendant, Elizabeth Finlay, Commons, present at death signed x mark
  

• General Notes

  Given as the father of Jane Finlay in her marriage record on 11 April 1854 in 1st Dunboe - she of Ballystrone, he a farmer. 
  
  Fermoyle was not formed until 1843.  All of its townlands were in Dunboe when the Tithe Applotment Book was produced there in 1828.  It shows a William and a Robert Finlay sharing a plot in Ballywilderick, a Mathew Finlay, James Finlay and a Widow Finlay holding plots in Ballystroan, no Finlays in Blakes, Ballinrees, Knockmult or Bratwell, and I did not see any John Finlays in any of the townlands but the film was very faint in places.
  
  There is a John Finlay from Ballystroan in the 1831 Census:
  NAME; head of household; Page no.; TOWNLAND; Bldg.No.; No. fams.; No. male; No. fem.: No. male svts; No. fem svts; Tot; EC; Cath; Presb; Other;  NOTES
  FINLEY, BELL 33 Bratwell 19 1   1     1     1    
  FINLEY, ELIZA 4 Ballystroan 4 1   5     5     5    
  FINLEY, JACOB 24 Ballyhacket Magilligan 20 1 2 2     4     4    
  FINLEY, JAMES 4 Ballystroan 19 1 4 2     6     6    
  FINLEY, JAMES 4 Ballystroan 20 1 1 5     6     6    
  FINLEY, JAMES 43 Grangebeg 1 1 3 3     6     6    
  FINLEY, JOHN 4 Ballystroan 5 1 1 4     5     5    
  FINLEY, JOHN 40 Knockmult 21 1 2 1     3     3    
  FINLEY, ROBERT 5 Ballystroan 24 1 1 3     4     4    
  FINLEY, ROBERT 35 Ballywildrick Lower 15 1 1 1     2     2    
  FINLEY, WILLIAM 11 Articlave Lower 70 2 3 4     7 1   6    
  FINLEY, WILLIAM 24 Ballyhacket Magilligan 19 1 2 4     6     6    
  FINLEY, WILLIAM 35 Ballywildrick Lower 16 1 3 1 1   5     5    
  which might suggest that my John was married and became head of his own household sometime between 1828 and 1831, which does fit with the birth of my Jane Finlay.  He is living in a household of one male and four females.  It has to be the same man.  This suggests my John might never have had any male children OR, he did have older male children and they had already moved out - and there ARE two Jameses and a Robert also living in Ballystroan OR, if he was younger, his male children had not yet been born in 1831.
  
  Eppi 1841- 1841, Volume 23
  326 | Reports relative to valuation for poor rates, and to registered elective franchise in Ireland (local reports) (second series): second appendix:
  John Finlay, houses and land, Ballyshoan, 24-0-34(acres)/8-17-0(annual val)/11-18-0(rent) ( with the Bruster brothers in same twn).
  
  There are only two Finlays in Fermoyle in the Griffiths Valuation, both called John Finlay, one from Ballystrone:
  Plot 2, Worshipful Company of Clothworkers, HOL, 13/3/10, 7/10/0, 0/15/0, 8/5/0.
  
  Griffith's Valuation Record Information
  Tenant
  Family Name 1    FINLAY
  Forename 1    JOHN
  Landlord
  Family Name 2    WORSHIPFUL COMPANY OF CLOTHWORKERS
  Forename 2    
  Location
  County    LONDONDERRY
  Barony    COLERAINE
  Union    COLERAINE
  Parish    FORMOYLE
  Townland    BALLYSTRONE
  Place Name    BALLYSTRONE
  Place Type    TOWNLAND
  Publication Details
  Position on Page    18
  Printing Date    1859
  Act    15&16
  Sheet Number    7
  Map Reference    2
  
  (and one from Knockmult, who is NOT mine):
  Plot 7, Worshipful Company of Clothworkers, HOL, 5/1/30, 2/15/0, 0/15/0, 3/10/0
  
  The GVRBs show:
  Ballystrone
  Plot 2 – John Finlay (13/3/10)
  - he s/o to Sir A A Bruce Bart in 1875
  Plot 9Ab Sarah Brewster s/o to Matthew Finlay in……
  - he s/o to Robert Smith in 1889.
  
  There are no Finlays in the 1901 census for Ballystrone so obviously, when John died or sold the farm, the family moved on elsewhere.
  
  Timeline for John Finlay of Ballystrone
  1798        Possible birth of John Finlay (?GGG Gf) based on death of same in 1875 aged 77.
  1828    Ballystrone    TAB - a James Finlay (10/1/17 arp), Matthew Finlay and a Widow Finlay (11/1/4 arp)
          hold plots in Ballystroan.
  1831    Ballystrone    There is a John Finlay (?GGG Gf) from Ballystroan in the 1831 Census:
          NAME; head; Page no.; TOWNLAND; Bldg.No.; No. fams.; No. male; No. fem; Tot
          FINLEY, JOHN 4 Ballystroan 5  1  1  4    5    5
          FINLEY, ELIZA 4 Ballystroan 4  1   5     5     5
          FINLEY, JAMES 4 Ballystroan 19 1 4 2     6     6
          FINLEY, JAMES 4 Ballystroan 20 1 1 5     6     6
          FINLEY, ROBERT 5 Ballystroan 24 1 1 3     4     4
  1841    Ballystrone    Reports relative to valuation for poor rates: John Finlay (?GGG Gf), houses and land,
          Ballyshoan, 24-0-34(acres)/8-17-0(annual val)/11-18-0(rent)
  11 April 1854    Ballystrone    John Finlay (GGG Gf) given as the father of Jane Finlay (GG Gm) in her marriage
          record on 11 April 1854 in 1st Dunboe - she of Ballystrone, he a farmer.
  c 1855    Ballystrone    The Griffiths Valuation shows a John Finlay (GGG Gf) from Ballystrone:
          Plot 2, Worshipful Company of Clothworkers, HOL, 13/3/10, 7/10/0, 0/15/0, 8/5/0,
  14 Jan 1858    Ballystrone    John Finlay (?GGG Gf) given as the father of Isabella Finlay in her marriage
          record on 14 Jan 1858 in 2nd Dunboe - she of Ballystrone, he a farmer.
  1 Jul 1863    Ballystrone    John Finlay (?GGG Gf) given as the father of Matthew Finlay in his marriage
          record on 1st July 1863 in Col Reg Off - he of Ballystrone, his father a labourer.
  19 Sep 1863    Kiltinney    Registry Office, Coleraine; 19 Sep 1863; Robert Thompson; Full; Widower; Farmer;
          Ballyvennox; William Thompson; Farmer; Sarah Finlay; Full; Spinster; Kiltinney;
          John Finlay; Farmer; James Thompson & Thomas Nickles.
  1865    Dunalis    John Finlay's son, Matthew, baptises John in Dunalis
  8 Mar 1866    Ballystrone    John Finlay (?GGG Gf) given as the father of John Finlay in his marriage record
          on 8 Mar 1866, he of Ballystrone, his father a farmer.
  1867    Ballinrees    John Finlay's son, John, baptises Elizabeth Jane in Ballinrees
  1871    Gortycavan    John Finlay's son, Matthew, baptises Matthew in Gortycavan
  1872    Gortycavan    John Finlay's son, Matthew, baptises Jane in Gortycavan
  1872    Ballinrees    John Finlay's son, John, baptises Thomas in Ballinrees
  1874    Blakes    John Finlay's son, John, baptises Bella in Blakes
  1874    Ringrash    John Finlay's son, Matthew, baptises Mary Anne in Ringrash
  1875    Ballystrone    The GVRBs show Ballystrone - Plot 2 – John Finlay (?GGG Gf) (13/3/10) - s/o to  
          Sir A A Bruce Bart in 1875
  1877    Balteagh    John Finlay's son, Matthew, baptises Thomas in Balteagh
  1879 - Death of John Finlay of Ballystrone, in the Commons, Coleraine.
  
  When we were in Ireland I never got a physical address on where my great grandmother lived... really dumb of me!  Do you have a physical description if other family members ever got to go over there???
  Thanks, Sandy
  14:28
  Gosh, that is not an easy one, Sandy!!  Remember, while we kinew it was in the townland of Ballystrone near the townland of Ballinrees, it took me forever to locate the location of the old Finlay house because the wallsteads had been ploughed away.  However, I can give you a grid reference on the OS map.  I think 802299 must be close - it is right at the edge of the map I have so not easy to determine.  And I don't remember the name of that helpful farmer but he would be the best way of locating the place.  Hope this helps.
  
  
  

Details of John's family with Mary Anne McDougal