Eleanor de Bohun , Heiress of Debden 
Eleanor de was born about 1238 in Debden, Saffron Walden, Essex, England. Eleanor de's father was Humphrey V de Bohun , 2nd Earl Hereford&Essex and her mother was Maud d' Eu. Her paternal grandparents were Henry de Bohun , 1st Earl of Hereford, MCS and Maud FitzGeoffrey , Countess of Essex; her maternal grandparents were Raoul I de Lusignan , Comte d'Eu and Alice Countess d' Eu , Lady Hastings. She had a brother and a sister, named Humphrey VI de and Alice de. She was the youngest of the three children. She died after June 10th, 1278.General Notes
He [John de Verdun] married, 2ndly, before 1267, Eleanor (f). He is said to have died 21 October 1274. His widow was living, 10 June 1278. [Complete Peerage XII/2:246-8, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(f) Presumably his son Humphrey, b. on the vigil of Pentecost 1267, was by the 2nd wife. Nothing is known of Eleanor's parentage but she may have been a Bohun. A seal, said to be hers, bears the Bohun and Verdun arms and the name of her son, Humphrey, may be significant.
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From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry@@msn.com)
Subject: Re: Eleanor de Verdun, and her daughter, Maud, wife of John de Grey, of Wilton
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-01-16 07:08:57 PST
Dear Newsgroup ~
Since making my post on Eleanor (de Bohun) de Verdun yesterday, I've checked my files and found further confirmation which I believe conclusively proves that Eleanor was the daughter of Humphrey de Bohun (died 1275), Earl of Hereford and Essex. The evidence consists of two separate cases of consanguinity among descendants of Eleanor (de Bohun) de Verdun where they intermarried with their Bohun related kinfolk.
In the first instance, my notes record that there was a papal dispensation recorded in 1334, for the marriage of Maud de Grey and John de Lisle, 2nd Lord Lisle, of Rougement. As I recall, this dispensation is mentioned by Complete Peerage sub Lisle. Maud and John were stated to be related in the 4th degree in their petition for a dispensation (i.e., third cousins to each other). Maud de Grey was great-granddaughter of Eleanor (de Bohun) de Verdun. John de Lisle was great-grandson of Alice (de Bohun) de Tony. If the degree of kinship was correctly stated in the papal registers, it would appear that Maud's ancestress, Eleanor de Bohun, and John's ancestress, Alice de Bohun, were sisters. Since Alice is known to have been a daughter of Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford and Essex (died 1275), this in turn tells us that Eleanor was daughter of the same Humphrey de Bohun.
In the second instance, my notes record there was a papal inquiry in 1334 regarding the marriage of Margaret Basset and John de Bohun, Earl of Hereford and Essex. Margaret Basset was a great-granddaughter of Eleanor (de Bohun) de Verdun. Margaret and her husband, John, were closely related, but my notes don't tell how closely related the two parties were, if the degree of kinship was stated. To resolve the question of kinship, the Pope summoned a host of relatives of the young couple. Among those summoned were several of Margaret Basset's Grey relatives as well as Alice de Tony, widow of Walter de Beauchamp, and her daughter and son-in-law, Margaret and Robert de Lisle. The people required to give testimony presumably all had a tie to the Bohun family. If nothing else, this document provides added evidence that the Greys, Tonys, Beauchamps and Lisles all share a common descent from the Bohun family.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royalancestry@@msn.com
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Ancestor Pedigree Chart
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- b.~ 1080 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England d.1129
- b.1120 in Gloucestershire, England d.06 Apr 1187 in England
- b.1093 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, England d.1142
- b.1143 in Gloucestershire, England d.1182
- b.1092 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England d.24 Dec 1143 in Shot while hunting in Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England
- b.1126 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England d.1146
- b.< 1093 in Aberhonwy, Brecon, Wales d.> 1143 in Gloucestershire, England
- b.1176 in Warwick, Warwickshire, England d.01 Jun 1220 in On a pilgrimage to Holy Land
- b.~ 1080 in Scotland d.24 May 1153 in Carlisle, Cumberland, England
- b.1114 in Scotland d.12 Jun 1152 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England
- b.1072 in Huntington, Huntingdonshire, England d.23 Apr 1131 in Scotland
- b.1144 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England d.1201 in Richmond, North Ride Yorkshire, England
- b.~ 1071 in Lewes, Sussex, England d.11 May 1138 in Priory of Lewes, Sussex, England
- b.~ 1122 in Lewes, Sussex, England d.1178 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England
- b.~ 1081 in Valois now Oise, Picardy, France d.<Jul 1147 in Priory of Lewes, Sussex, England
- b.1208 in Hungerford, Essex, England d.24 Sep 1275
- b.~ 1134 in Cherhill, Wiltshire, England d.>08 May 1198 in Pleshey, Essex, England
- b.< 1163 in Saffron Walden, Essex, England d.14 Oct 1213 in Shouldham Priory, Downham, Norfolk, England
- b.1092 in Great Waltham, Essex, England d.14 Sep 1144 in Mildenhall, Suffolk, England
- b.1138 in Costow, Wiltshire, England
- b.~ 1112 in Hedingham Castle, Essex, England d.21 Oct 1166 in England
- b.~ 1185 in Saffron Walden, Essex, England d.27 Aug 1236 in Warwick, Warwickshire, England
- b.~ 1106 in Sawbridgeworth, Bishop's Stortford, Hertfordshire, England d.>Aug 1144 in Killed attacking Burwell Castle, Cambridgeshire, England
- b.~ 1133 in Saham, Norfolk, England d.<01 Aug 1177 in Kimbolton, St Neots, Huntingdonshire, England (dspm)
- b.1105 in Manneville, Seine-Inferieure, Normandy, France d.<19 Apr 1197 in Rickling, Essex, England
- b.~ 1160 in Kimbolton, St Neots, Huntingdonshire, England d.<19 Apr 1197
- b.1114 in Scotland d.12 Jun 1152 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England
- b.~ 1140 in Kimbolton, St Neots, Huntingdonshire, England
- b.~ 1122 in Lewes, Sussex, England d.1178 in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England
- b.~ 1238 in Debden, Saffron Walden, Essex, England d.>10 Jun 1278
- b.~ 1090 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France d.AFT 2 FEB 1150/51
- b.~ 1118 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France d.~ 1173 in In captivity (11 Apr 1169) while on Crusade in Syria
- b.~ 1095 in Armenia d.1144
- b.~ 1150 in Lusignan, Vienne, Poitou, France d.1224
- b.~ 1090 in Taillebourg, Saintonge, France
- b.1120 in Taillebourg, Saintonge, France d.>11 Apr 1169
- b.~ 1178 in La Marche, Poitou, France d.01 May 1219 in Shenton, Leicestershire, England
- b.~ 1110 in Limoges, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France d.1148
- b.~ 1135 in Limoges, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France d.< 1188
- b.~ 1120 in Turenne, Correze, Limousin, France d.> 1201
- b.~ 1155 in Limoges, Haute Vienne, Limousin, France d.~ 1187 in Jaffa, Holy Lands
- b.~ 1105 in Dunstanville, Kent, England d.01 Jul 1175 in Chertsey, Sussex, England
- b.~ 1137 in Launceston, Cornwall, England d.1206
- b.~ 1114 in Cardinan, Cornwall, England d.1162
- b.1208 in La Marche, Poitou, France d.14 Aug 1241
- b.~ 1090 in Leicestershire, England d.12 Jul 1140 in Foucarmonnt
- b.~ 1118 in Leicestershire, England d.26 Jun 1170
- b.1095 in Leicestershire, England d.15 Dec 1145
- b.1155 in Leicestershire, England d.11 MAR 1182/83 in Hastings, Sussex, England
- b.~ 1106 in St Sauveur, Manche, Normandy, France d.12 Oct 1176 in Waverly Abbey, Surrey, England
- b.1137 in Casti Arundel, Sussex, England d.11 Sep 1188
- b.~ 1103 in Brabant, Netherlands d.23 Apr 1151 in Affligham, Flanders, France
- b.1180 in Shenton, Leicestershire, England d.15 May 1246
- b.24 Aug 1113 in Anjou, France d.07 Sep 1151 in Chateau, Eure-et-Loire, Normandy, France
- b.1130 in Normandy, France d.07 May 1202 in Lewes, Sussex, England
- b.1112 in France d.10 Sep 1169 in Notre Dame, Rouen, Normandy
- b.1163 in Lewes, Sussex, England d.~ 1212
- b.~ 1119 in Lewes, Sussex, England d.19 JAN 1147/48 in Laodicea, Holy Lands (dspm)
- b.1137 in Lewes, Sussex, England d.13 Jul 1199 in Lewes, Sussex, England
- b.~ 1120 in Alencon, Orne, Normandy, France d.04 Oct 1174
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Eleanor de and John le Botiller de were married in a religious ceremony before 1267 in 2nd wife. They had a daughter named Maud de.
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