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[MARSHALL.FTW]

SOURCE NOTES:
Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great
Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant. Gloucester: A
Sutton, 1982.

Farmerie, Todd A, Mistresses of Henry II, posting to mailing list
GEN-MEDIEVAL, Oct 1 1998. Author address taf2@@po.cwru.edu.

Farmerie, Todd A, Weis Ancestral Roots 7th Edition Corrections, posting to
mailing list GEN-MEDIEVAL, Aug 1 1995. Author address taf@@po.cwru.edu.

Farmerie, Todd A, posting to mailing list GEN-MEDIEVAL, Feb 6 1997. Author
address taf@@po.cwru.edu.

Holloway, Naomi D, The Genealogy of Mary Wentworth, Who Became the Wife of
William Brewster, Revised Edition, October 1969. LDS Film#1738313 item#5

Paget, Gerald, The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of
Wales. London: Charles Skilton Ltd, 1977. Nypl ARF+ 78-835.

Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Euroopaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte
der europaischen Staaten, New Series, Marburg: J.A. Stargardt, 1978-.

Sheppard, Walter Lee, Royal Bye-Blows: The Illegitimate Children of the
English Kings from William I to Edward III, in NEHGR v119 (Apr 1965) pp94-102.

Taylor, Nathaniel, Ida and Ela, posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL, Feb 27 1997,
Ntaylor@@fas.Harvard.edu.

Watney, Vernon James, The Wallop Family and their Ancestry, Oxford:John
Johnson, 1928. LDS Film#1696491 items 6-9.

Weis, Frederick L, Magna Charta Sureties 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
Charta and Some of Their Descendants. 4th Ed. Baltimore: Gen Pub Co, 1991.

Weis, Frederick Lewis, Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists, 6th Edition,
Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1988.
RESEARCH NOTES:
Earl of Salisbury [Ref: Weis AR #30] j.u. [Ref: Paget p14]

Charles Evens, in The Genealogist iii:265-6 cited a couple of charters in
which William Longspee names his mother as a Countess Ida. He then suggested
that she may have been Ida of Flanders, Countess of Boulogne, dughter of
Matthew of Alsace and of Maud, daughter of King Stephen [Ref: Farmerie 8/1/95]

Rosemund was not mother of William Longspee. This has long been known. More
recently, charter evidence has been produced in which William calls his mother
"Countess Ida", who has been identified with the wife of Roger Bigod, Earl of
Norfolk. [Ref: Farmerie 2/6/97]

Mistresses that have been claimed as mothers of William Longspee. The 'First
identified', 'Basis', and 'Contemporary documentation' relates specifically to
their identification as mother of WIlliam, not to them being mistresses of
Henry. Rosamunde Clifford: First identified by 15th century(?);
documentation: none. Hikenai: 19th or 20th century(?); basis: documented
mother of Geoffrey, another of Henry's illigitimates; documentation: none.
Annabel Baliol: first identified 20th centry; basis: documented mistress of
Henry II during approximate period of William's birth; contemporary document:
none. Alix de Porhoet: first identified in20th century; basis: documented
mother of a child by Henry II during approximate time period; contemporary
documentation: none. Alice of France: first identified in 19th or 20th
century; basis: documented mother of a child by Henry II; contemporary
documentation: none. Countess Ida: first identified in 20th century; basis:
named by WIlliam in two donations; contemporary documentation: two donations
recorded in the Bradenstoke Cartulary. [Ref: Farmerie 10/1/98]

The published edition of the Bradenstoke priory charters (Cartulary of
Bradenstoke Priory, ed. Vera C. M. London: Wilts. Rec. Soc. 35: Devizes, 1979)
is actually a calendar of abstracts, not a full text edition. There are two
charters attesting William Longspee's maternity, one appearing in each of the
fragmentary extant Bradenstoke cartularies (both fourteenth century MSS): BL
Cotton Vitellius A.11, f. 102 (n. 646 in the pub. vol.) and BL Stowe 925, f.
143 (no. 481). The abstracts, plus the original Latin phrases quoted in the
introduction to the edition (and that portion of the introduction quoted in
toto by Charles Evens in his letter to The Genealogist, 3 (1982), 265-6) tell
you everything you meed to know relevant to this question: William stated that
a countess Ida was his mother in two (undated) gifts to the priory designed
for her spiritual benefit. ... Charter 481 the gift is made by William for
the souls of both his wife Ela and his mother countess Ida. Note that this
means that Ida was not necessarily dead at the time of the donations, since
Ela wasn't (Ela outlived him by over thirty years). The editor of the
cartulary tentatively suggested Ida, suo jure countess of Boulogne, as a
possible candidate for the mother. Evans went further and said that he knew
of no other contemporary candidate. [Ref: Nat Taylor 2/27/97]

DNB (v34p115) states that he received Appleby in co Lincoln from his fatgher
in 1188. However, DNBv11p76 states that this was the earlier William
Longspee. CP account does not include nor does it discuss this grant. [Ref:
Sheppard Apr65 p100]

1196/7: received from brother, King Richard, the third penny of Wiltshire
[Ref: Sheppard Apr65 p100]
SOURCE NOTES:
date: 1176 [Ref: Holloway p16, Weis AR #108] abt 1176 [Ref: Watney #870]
before 1167, if received grant of Appelby in 1188 [Ref: Sheppard Apr65 p100]
before 1173 [Ref: Weis AR #30, Weis MC #142], father: [Ref: Holloway p16,
Paget p14, Watney #617, Weis AR #108, Weis AR #30, Weis MC #142], mother:
[Ref: Farmerie 2/6/97, Farmerie 8/1/95]
RESEARCH NOTES:
mother: Rosamund Clifford [Ref: ES III #356a, Holloway p16, Paget p14, Watney
#617] unknown mistress, perhaps Alix De Porhoet [Ref: Weis AR #30]
SOURCE NOTES:
date: [Ref: ES III #356, Paget p15] Mar 7 1225/6 [Ref: Holloway p16, Watney
#870, Weis AR #108, Weis MC #142], place: [Ref: Paget p15, Weis MC #142]