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[SUSANNA KEENE.FTW]

Stammtafeln says she is the daughter of Henry, Margrave of Mark
(d 886).

Current consensus (as summarised by E.Hlawitschka, in
Rheinische
Vierteljarhrblatter, 1974, p141ff) is that she was a daughter
of Margrave Henry who died at paris against the Normans
28.8.886 (he also often appears with other titles: Duke of the
Austrasians, is one of them). Her mother was according to the
same author) was probably a grand-daughter of St.Ida (d.c.820)
and the Saxon Count Egbert (flor. 809-11).

I can only refer back to the same article: there was a family
in Saxony
at this time who historians call the Egbertiner or Cobbonen
after their
most distinguished members. The details about Ida and Egbert's
family
come from two sources: her Life (written 980/3) and the
Translatio
S.Pusinnae (c.860/77). St.Ida was the founder of Herford, a
convent
in Saxony. Her Life calls Egbert duke of all saxony between the
Rhine
and the weser appointed by Charlemagne. A count Egbert appears
in
the Royal frankish annals in 809 and 811 concerned with the
boundary
between Saxony and the Denmark. Their children included Warin
abbot of Corvey 826-56, and Count Cobbo the Elder (d. fl 845),
and
Addila abbess of Herford. This family continued to be important
in
Saxony in the 10th century.

Ida is said to be the daughter of a Frankish count (though
Hlawitschka tries to make her a daughter of Carloman I d.771,
wrongly I think). As Egbert of Wessex became king in 802 (?),
it would seem unlikely that he could have two different careers
in two different countries, at the same time. Unless the ASC
date 802 is wrong.

Matt

PS: the Egbertiner are also mentioned in an article in English
(about
the revolt of the Stellinga in Saxony c.840-43), in Speculum
70, 1995, p488.
Speculum is an American journal on Medieval History.

Dutch "Winkler Prins" encyclopedia says Henry was via his
mother a
grandson of Louis the German (who was a grandson of
Charlemagne). The
sources of this article are:
- Jahrbücher des deutschen Reichs unter König Heinrich, by G.
Waitz (1885,
1963)
- König Heinrich I, by Fr. Lüdtke (1936)
- Geschichte der sächsischen Kaiserzeit, by R. Holzmann (1941,
1953)
- König Heinrich I, by W. Mohr (1950)
- Von den Karolingern zu den Staufern, by J. Haller (1958)
- Die Mark Brandenburg, by J. Schultze (1961)
- Heinrich I, Südwest- und Westpolitik, by H. Büttner (1964)
"Von den Karolingern zu den Staufern" is the source of the
genealogical information in the article.

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