William de Say 
William was born in 1115 in Say, Normandy, France.1 William's father was Geoffrey de Say and his mother was Hawise de Clare. His paternal grandparents were William de Say and Agnes de Grentemesnil; his maternal grandparents were 1st Earl of Pembroke, Earl de Clare, Abbot of Ely Gilbert FitzRichard de Clare and Adeliza de Clermont. He was an only child. He died at the age of 29 in 1144 in Byrwell Castle, England.1 General Notes
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It has been suggested that the family derived its name from Sai, about two miles SE of Argentin in Normandy, though there is no substantial evidence for this. Certainly William de Say, possibly a Norman, married by 1098 Agnes, daughter of Hugh de Grentmesnil.
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But the known pedigree originates with another William de Say, granted his (probably dead) father's lands in a charter of the Empress Maud between Christmas 1141 and June 1142; joined his brother-in-law Geoffrey de Mandeville, 1st Earl of Essex of the 1140 creation, in rebellion against Stephen 1144; married Beatrice (died 19 April 1197 or some year before it), daughter of William de Mandeville, sister of 1st Earl of Essex and divorced wife of Hugh Talebot, and was allegedly killed in an attack on Burwell Castle, Cambs, along with his brother-in-law, 1st Earl of Essex Aug 1144, though he may well have died later. [Burke's Peerage]
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Note: Magna Charta Sureties has Geoffrey de Mandeville dead 14 Sep 1144. Also note that I have this William as a grandson of William de Say & Agnes de Grentmesnil.
# Note:
William de Say, son of William de Say, and grandson of William de Say, who came into England with the Conqueror. He m. Beatrix, the divorced wife of Hugh Talbot, and dau. of Geoffrey de Mandeville, Earl of Essex, sister of Godfrey, and aunt, and eventually heiress of William de Mandeville, Earls of Essex, by whom he had issue, William and Geoffrey. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 476, Saye, or Say, Barons Saye]
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"William de Say I is chiefly known as an associate of Geoffrey de Mandeville, 1st Earl of Essex, in his last revolt, with Hugh Bigod, against Stephen in 1144. In the 2nd charter of the Empress Maud to the Earl, issued between Christmas 1141 and the end of June 1142, William was given a special grant of his father's lands. According to Henry of Huntingdon, he was killed with the Earl in Aug. 1144 when, after occupying Ramsey Abbey, they were attacking Stephen's fort at Burwell, Cambs. but there is evidence that William surv. the Earl. He m. Beatrice, divorced wife of Hugh Talebot, sister of Earl Geoffrey above named, and da. of William de Mandeville." (CP XI-464-5)
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Ancestor Pedigree Chart
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*There are earlier generations for the ancestor(s) indicated. See their page(s) for details (click name)
- b.0983 in Sai, Orne, Normandie
- b.1000 in Sai, Orne, Normandie
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- b.1035 in Saye, France d.1098
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- b.1065 in Sawbridgeworth, England
- b.1035 in Saye, France
- b.1094 in Sawbridgeworth, England
- b.0960 in Bretagne, France
- b.0990 in Grentemesnil, Calvados, Normandy, France d.17 Jun 1039 in Grentemesnil, Calvados, Normandy, France
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- b.1030 in Grentemesnil, Calvados, Normandy, France d.22 Feb 1092 in Leicester Castle, Leicestershire, England
- b.0968 in Heismes, Normandy, France d.1020 in Eschafour, Normandy, France
- b.1007 in Eschafour, Normandy, France
- b.0972 in Montfort-Sur-Risle, Normandy, France
- b.1070 in Grentemesnil, France
- b.0975 in Beaumont-sur-Oise, Normandy, France d.1022 in Beaumont-sur-Oise, Normandy, France
- b.1005 in Beaumont, Sur-Oise, Normandy, France d.22 May 1059 in Beaumont-sur-Oise, Normandy, France
- b.0980 in Beaumont, Sur-Oise, Normandy, France d.1039 in France
- b.1035 in Beaumont, France d.11 Jul 1091 in Rouen, Normandy, France
- b.0985 in Gournay-sur-Marne, Normandy, France d.1074 in Gournay-sur-Marne, Normandy, France
- b.1008 in Beaumont, Sur-Oise, Normandy, France d.08 Apr 1099
- b.1000 in Normandy, France d.16 Jan 1098
- b.1115 in Say, Normandy, France d.1144 in Byrwell Castle, England
- b.0953 in Normandy, France d.1015 in France
- b.0989 in Brionne, Eure, Normandy, France d.1040 in Eschafour, Normandy, France
<Unknown>
- b.1024 in Bienfaite, Normandy, France d.1090 in St. Neot's, Huntingdonshire, England
- b.0994 in Aunou, Orne, Normandy, France d.1007
- b.1010 in Aunou, Orne, Normandy, France
<Unknown>
- b.1065 in Clare, England d.1117 in England
- b.0975 in Longueville, Normandy, France d.1035 in France
- b.1010 in Longueville, Normandy, France d.1085 in France
- b.0968
- b.1034 in Longueville, France d.1133
- b.0985 in Longueville, Normandy, France
- b.1014 in Longueville, Normandy, France d. in France
- b.1003
- b.1099 in Kent, England
- b.0985 in Creil, France d.1060
- b.1005
<Unknown>
- b.1030 in Clermont, Beauvais, France d.1101
- b.0990 in Clermont, France
- b.1010 in Clermont, France
<Unknown>
- b.1065 in Northamptonshire, England d.1117
- b.0980 in Montdidier, Somme, France d.Jun 1034 in Ramerupt, Aube, Champagne, France
- b.1010 in Montdidier, Somme, Picardy, France d.1063 in Ramerupt, Aube, champagne, France
- b.0965 d.26 Jan 0997
- b.1045 d.1100
- b.0992 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France d.11 May 1033 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France
- b.1014 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France d.1062
- b.0998 d.1035
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Details of William's family with Beatrix de Mandeville
1 http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=jdp-fam&id=I81205&style=TABLE
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Further source/citation:
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