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REFN: 8419AN
Alias:<ALIA> Ralredus /De Vere/
Has anyone heard of the connection of Baltredu s and the Earls of Oxford?
The story goes:
Aubrey 1st Earl of Oxford had ano ther son Ralf/Radulphus who, having
opposed his father in warring times, plac ing allegiance with Scotland,
was disinherited. Ralf/Radulphus fled to Scotla nd, declaring his
allegiance to the Scottish Crown and was subsequently rewar ded with lands
there. On the death of his father, the title of now 2nd Earl o f Oxford
passed to his brother Aubrey whose title, having died childless, pas sed
to another brother Robert, now 3rd Earl of Oxford.
As Ralf/Radulphus was the second son, the title of 3rd Earl of Oxford
should have passed to him. H owever, overlooked, the title passed to
Robert the 3rd son.
Ralf/Radulphus, now living in Scotland had issue - Baltredus. Baltredus
now being the Grandso n of the 1st Earl of Oxford.
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Re: B altredus De Vere, Scotland, A.D. 1163
Posted by: Nicholas De Vere Date: May 19 , 2001 at 16:18:28
In Reply to: Baltredus De Vere, Scotland, A.D. 1163 by Ray Isbell of 337
According to one authority on the Flemish Nobility of Scotland, Baltredus
never existed. Might I suggest that if anyone has access to early
documents, they might like to compare the style of the letter R in
relation to the letter B. They will find that they are, in many cases,
identical. We a re looking for Ralfredus or Ralph, the second son of
Aubrey who defected to t he Flemish siDe in the dispute over succession in
England. The Norman lot won the day and Ralph disappeared from the
English scene with his liege lord Con an of Brittany and turned up in
Scottish records in 1165 where on occassion h e can be seen to have
witnessed documents with his brother Robert; who later succeeded to the
earldom of Oxford over Ralph's head. For Ralph's seniority s ee the
Charters of Colne Priory, where his name precedes that of Robert.
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