General Notes

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Sir Adam Banastre [married] Margaret de Holand, sister of Sir Robert de Ho
land of Upholland, co. Lancaster, and widow of Sir John Blackburn. [Ancest
ral Roots, line 34-32]
Note: I originally had Margaret as daughter of Robert de Holand& Elizabe
th Salmesbury, being sister of Robert 1st Lord Holand of Upholland. Howev
er I now have her as sister of the Robert who married Elizabeth Salmesbur
y, and daughter of Thurstan de Holand. She could still be an early chi
ld of Robert de Holand,or a late child of Thurstan, but I am now leani
ng to Thurstan.Note that the "The Lancashire Hollands" below indicates s
he is daughter of Thurstan.
Now, I continue with VCH Lancaster v. 5. At pp. 245-246, the article sa
ys that : "Shortly after 1287, but by what title is unknown, the manor [
of Bolton] was held by Margaret, sister of Sir Robert de Holland, and on h
er death divided among her four daughters and heirs. [footnote deleted] T
he eldest, Alice, married Sir Robert de Shireburne, and the fourth part as
signed to her descended with the Shireburne estates. [footnote deleted]
The foregoing information is more or less repeated in VCH Lancaster v.
6. At p. 131, the article notes that Henry de Lacy,Earl of Lincoln, gave t
he manors of Chorley and Bolton to Robert de Hepwall and Margaret [de Holl
and] in consideration of Robert's praiseworthy services. Margaret was eith
er the intended recipient of these manors or later acquired them. "She w
as sister of Robert de Holland, and thrice married. By her first husban
d, Sir John de Blackburn of Wiswell, she had three daughters; by her secon
d, the above-named Robert de Hepwall, who died in 1304, he had a son Joh
n, who probably died young. The third husband was the Adam Banastre execut
ed in 1315; by Hepwallor Banastre she had another daughter. [citations del
etedthroughout]
VCH Lancaster v. 7 may show a primary source showing themarriage between S
ir John Tempest and Katherine Sherburne. At p.2, the article begins the hi
story of Aighton in Mitton. On p. 2,the article says that Margaret Haphal
e, afterward Banastre,gained control of Aighton. "After Margaret's death h
er manorswere divided among her daughters--Alice wife of Robert deShirebur
ne," and the others being named. Beginning at p.3, thearticle describes t
he subsequent involvement of the Sherburnes:
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And in a later e-mail clarifying the 1287 date above:
I really do not think that we can date Margaret de Holand'smarriage to Jo
hn Blackburn back to around 1280. VCH Lancaster6:131 says that Henry de La
cy granted Chorley and Bolton toMargaret and her then husband Robert de He
pwall after heacquired them from Richard de Lothburgh who did not himselfo
btain these manors from William de Ferrers until 1297, not1287. Since Marg
aret had had only one son and possibly adaughter from this husband by t
he time he died in 1304, it islikely that she and Hepwall were not marri
ed until 1297 or so.Although the earlier volume VCH Lancaster 5:245 refe
rs toMargaret having "shortly after 1287, by what title is unknown,the man
or" of Bolton, this appears to be an editing errorcorrected in volu
me 6, as William de Ferrers still owned Chorleyand Bolton as late as 129
7. If Margaret had married Sir John deBlackburn before 1290, she would pro
bably have been survived bymore than three children upon her first husband
's death. Itstill seems to me that Margaret's birth year was still around1
270, the same date that CP proposes for the lst Lord de Holand.It is rath
er chastening to realize how such a simple editingerror, if that it be, c
an create havoc in establishing familylines.
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And later on Douglas Hickling found:
THE LANCASHIRE HOLLANDS, by Bernard H. Holland, turned out notto be a scho
larly work and with very few citations. I noted thatthere was a secti
on on sources at the end of the book and it hadentries like "Visitation Pe
digrees of the Holland Family"without any indica