General Notes

b? Sherburn, Oxfordshire, England
or Hardwell, Berkshire, England

He [Henry Tyeys] married, before 1285, Hawise. He died shortly before 8 October 1307 and was probably buried at Chilton Foliat. His widow died circa 1322. [Complete Peerage XII/2:103, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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Following is a post to SGM, 30 Dec 2001, by Douglas Richardson, with a possible ancestry for Hawise. Later on he speculated that since Geoffrey de Neville supposedly died without issue, that maybe Hawise was the daughter of an unknown 2nd marriage of Hawise de Montagu.

From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry@msn.com)
Subject: Ancestry of Alice Tyes, wife of Warin de Lisle
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-12-30 07:07:42 PST

Dear Newsgroup ~

Warin de Lisle, of Kingston Lisle (in Sparsholt), Berkshire (died 1322) married before 1304 Alice, daughter of Henry Teyes, Lord Teyes, of Alverton, Cornwall, and Chilton Foliat, Wiltshire, by his wife, Hawise.

Complete Peerage sub Lisle (vol. 8, pg. 49) states that in 1334, Alice, widow of Warin de Lisle, had leave to transfer the bodies of her late husband and that of her brother, Henry Teyes, Lord Teyes, to Chilton, "where her ancestors were buried and where chantries were founded." It appears she was supported in her petition to have remove the bodies by her kinsman, William de Montagu, Earl of Salisbury, which fact is overlooked by Complete Peerage. For the Earl's support of Alice de Lisle, see Calendar of the Register of Simon de Montacute, Bishop of Worcester, 1334-1337, published 1996, pp.xviii, xxvii.

Clearly the connection between Alice de Lisle and the Earl of Salisbury must have been close. However, to date, no one has identified the connection between the two parties. A good bet, however, is that the connection comes through Alice de Lisle's mother, Hawise (wife of Henry Teyes), born say 1265. Reviewing the Montagu family tree, it seems a distinct possibility that Hawise Teyes was the daughter of the Earl of Salisbury's great aunt, Hawise de Montagu, who married Geoffrey de Neville, of Laceby, co. Lincoln. I say that because I have encountered a record which shows that Henry Teyes and Ingram Folenfaunt, and their wives, held property as co-parceners in Redbourne, Lincoln in 1285 [Reference: Cal. IPM]. Redbourne is associated with a Neville family, although I am unclear if this is same family as the Neville family of Laceby.

If Alice de Lisle's grandmother was Hawise de Montagu, this arrangement would make Alice and her kinsman, the Earl of Salisbury, second cousins. If correct, then Alice de Lisle would share the Earl's descent from the baronial Basset family of Buckinghamshire and from the Gay family of Wiltshire.

If anyone has any particulars on the Neville, Teyes, Lisle or Folenfaunt families that would shed some light on this matter, I would appreciate knowing about it. For the interest of the newsgroup, I have listed the colonial immigrants below who descend from Alice (Teyes) de Lisle.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com

Immigrants descended from Alice Teyes, wife of Warin de Lisle:

1. Elizabeth Bosvile.
2. George, Giles & Robert Brent.
3. St.Leger Codd.
4. Edward Digges.
5. Warham Horsmanden.
6. Anne Humphrey.
7. Anne Mauleverer.
8. Philip & Thomas Nelson.
9. Herbert Pelham.
10. Katherine Saint Leger.
11. John West.