1535944

[MARSHALL.FTW]

SOURCE NOTES:
Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great
Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant. Gloucester: A
Sutton, 1982.

Farmerie, Todd A, Geoffrey FitzPiers Mother, posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL, Apr 23,
1998. Author address: taf2@@po.cwru.edu.

Watney, Vernon James, The Wallop Family and their Ancestry, Oxford:John
Johnson, 1928. LDS Film#1696491 items 6-9.

Weis, Frederick L, Magna Charta Sureties 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
Charta and Some of Their Descendants. 4th Ed. Baltimore: Gen Pub Co, 1991.

Weis, Frederick Lewis, Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists, 6th Edition,
Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1988.
RESEARCH NOTES:
The mother of Geoffrey Fitz Piers was Maud, wife of Piers de Lutegareshale.
As far as I have been able to determine, there was never any Maud de
Mandeville at this point in the Mandeville pedigree until someone misread CP.
I followed back the references cited by Weis/Sheppard Magna Carta Sureties
(later repeated in AR7) and they all either say nothing of the sort, or else
lead right to the CP Essex article. Nowhere in the text does it mention a
Maud other than simply as wife of Piers, and there it does not call her Maud
de Mandeville nor provide any evidence of a connection. In the associated
chart, (and here's the rub) Piers, Maud, and her second husband are placed
under the horizontal line which unites the children of Geoffrey de Mandeville.
This would, at first glance, appear to show Maud as Geoffrey's daughter (this
applies to Maud, but not Piers or his successor, because Maud is not given a
surname). However, a closer look reveals that there is no vertical line
dropping down from the horizontal to connect her with Geoffrey:
Geoffrey
de Mandeville
|
--------------------------------------------
||| |||
children Piers=Maud=2 hus more children
of Geoffrey de L | | of Geoffrey
| |
Maud was not intended by this to be represented as Geoffrey's daughter, but
this appears to be the genesis of this mistaken affiliation. As has been
pointed out, it is clear that Geoffrey Fitz Piers came to hold Mandeville
land, as well as the Earldom of Essex, through his wife, who was granddaughter
of Geoffrey de Mandeville's sister. This is best seen by the fact that the
land and titles descended to Bohun, to the exclusion of Geoffrey's son and
male heir, John Fitz Geoffrey, son by a second wife. So, no Mandeville land
can be shown to have been held by Piers, or by Geoffrey prior to his marriage;
no Mandeville land descended to Geoffrey's (and hence Maud's) heir male; no
document has been brought forward which claims Maud, wife of Piers, was a
Mandeville; no daughter or sister of an Earl of Essex would have been allowed
to marry such a lowly knight as Piers. No, Maud was not a Mandeville. [Ref:
Farmerie 4/23/98]
RESEARCH NOTES:
parents: Geoffrey de Mandeville & Rohese de Vere [Ref: Weis MC #159]