de Lutegareshale, Piers

Birth Name de Lutegareshale, Piers 1 2a 3 4 5a
Also Known As De LUTEGARESHALE, Piers 6a
Also Known As Earl of Essex, Pierre de Mandeville 2b
Gramps ID I1118
Gender male
Age at Death 46 years, 20 days

Events

Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Birth [E1619] 1134 Cherhill, Wiltshire, England  
2c
Death [E1620] 1179/80-01-14 (Julian) Pleshy, Essex, England  
2d
Death [E1621] before 1198    
5b

Families

    Family of de Lutegareshale, Piers and de Mandeville, Maud Lady of Costow [F0845]
Married Wife de Mandeville, Maud Lady of Costow [I3928] ( * 1138 + ... )
   
Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Marriage [E28346]      
7 8a 1 2e
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
Earl of Essex, Geoffrey FitzPiers de Mandeville [I4780]BET. 1152 - 11621213-10-14
    Family of de Lutegareshale, Piers and , Maud [F4168]
Unknown Partner , Maud [I8749] ( * + ... )
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
Fitz Piers, Geoffrey [I7184]about 11621213-10-14
    Family of de Lutegareshale, Piers and , Maud [F11688]
Unknown Partner , Maud [I26027] ( * + ... )
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex, Geoffrey [I26024]11651213-10-14

Narrative

[SUSANNA KEENE.FTW]

Earl of Essex.[charlemegne.FTW]

Peter de Ludgershale = Peter the Forester

E-mail from Douglas Richardson : In a recent posting, referen ce was made to Geoffrey Fitz Piers, Earl of Essex, and to his fa ther, Piers de Lutegareshale. Since about 1900, historians hav e been modernizing the name Piers as Peter. Consequently, it i s more appropriate to refer to these men as Geoffrey Fitz Pete r and Peter de Lutegareshale. As for Peter de Lutegareshale , I have found a reference to him as Peter the Forester and as s uch I presume he held the position as forester of the royal fore st of Ludgershale, Wiltshire. I imagine with a bit of detectiv e work, Peter the Forester's family and ancestry can be traced . In addition to modernizing the name Piers to Peter, I als o recommend using the modern spelling of Ludgershale.

As previously pointed out, Peter the Forester's wife, Maud, wa s not a Mandeville. My research suggests that either Peter or h is wife, Maud, was a sibling of Roger Fitz Geoffrey and his bro ther, Robert, who were knights and chief tenants of the Earls o f Salisbury. This would explain the appearance of the names , Geoffrey and Robert, among Peter and Maud's children. If corr ect, then Geoffrey Fitz Peter, Earl of Essex, obtained his give n name from a grandfather named Geoffrey.

Much more research is required to find all the answers. I fee l certain that the ancestry of Geoffrey Fitz Peter can be unrave lled if someone has the time and patience to do it. I'm tire d of copying inaccurate and incomplete information from secondar y sources, especially for this family.[MARSHALL.FTW]

SOURCE NOTES:
Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great
Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant. Gloucester: A
Sutton, 1982.

Watney, Vernon James, The Wallop Family and their Ancestry, Oxford:John
Johnson, 1928. LDS Film#1696491 items 6-9.

Weis, Frederick L, Magna Charta Sureties 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
Charta and Some of Their Descendants. 4th Ed. Baltimore: Gen Pub Co, 1991.

Weis, Frederick Lewis, Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists, 6th Edition,
Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1988.

Narrative

Records not imported into INDI (individual) Gramps ID I1118:

Line ignored as not understood Line 22939: 2 SOUR @S085410@
Skipped subordinate line Line 22940: 3 DATA
Skipped subordinate line Line 22941: 4 TEXT Date of Import: Aug 7, 2000
Line ignored as not understood Line 22944: 2 SOUR @S159427@
Skipped subordinate line Line 22945: 3 DATA
Skipped subordinate line Line 22946: 4 TEXT Date of Import: Sep 24, 2000

 

Attributes

Type Value Notes Sources
AFN AR:246C-27s2f, MC:159-2s, 9250-CT
 
REFN 13513
 

Pedigree

    1. de Lutegareshale, Piers
      1. de Mandeville, Maud Lady of Costow [I3928]
        1. Earl of Essex, Geoffrey FitzPiers de Mandeville [I4780]
      2. , Maud [I8749]
        1. Fitz Piers, Geoffrey [I7184]
      3. , Maud [I26027]
        1. FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex, Geoffrey [I26024]

Source References

  1. Marlyn Lewis: Ahnentafel for Margery Arundell, Recipient: J.H. Garner, Author [S10339]
  2. SUSANNA KEENE.FTW [S85410]
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  3. TITLE [S142105]
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  5. charlemegne.FTW [S159427]
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        Date of Import: Sep 24, 2000

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        Date of Import: Sep 24, 2000

  6. MARSHALL.FTW [S346124]
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        Date of Import: Oct 31, 2000

  7. Ed Mann: Mann Database, Recipient: J.H. Garner, soc.genealogy.medieval, [S12163]
  8. Frederick Lewis Weis: The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 : The Barons Named and Some of [S13024]
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