de Lutegareshale, Piers
Birth Name | de Lutegareshale, Piers 1 2a 3 4 5a |
Also Known As | De LUTEGARESHALE, Piers 6a |
Also Known As | Earl of Essex, Pierre de Mandeville 2b |
Gramps ID | I1118 |
Gender | male |
Age at Death | 46 years, 20 days |
Events
Event | Date | Place | Description | Notes | Sources |
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Birth [E1619] | 1134 | Cherhill, Wiltshire, England |
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Death [E1620] | 1179/80-01-14 (Julian) | Pleshy, Essex, England |
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Death [E1621] | before 1198 |
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Families
  |   | Family of de Lutegareshale, Piers and de Mandeville, Maud Lady of Costow [F0845] | ||||||||||||
Married | Wife | de Mandeville, Maud Lady of Costow [I3928] ( * 1138 + ... ) | ||||||||||||
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Children |
Name | Birth Date | Death Date |
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Earl of Essex, Geoffrey FitzPiers de Mandeville [I4780] | BET. 1152 - 1162 | 1213-10-14 |
Name | Birth Date | Death Date |
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Fitz Piers, Geoffrey [I7184] | about 1162 | 1213-10-14 |
Name | Birth Date | Death Date |
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FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex, Geoffrey [I26024] | 1165 | 1213-10-14 |
Narrative
[SUSANNA KEENE.FTW]
Earl of Essex.[charlemegne.FTW]
Peter de Ludgershale = Peter the Forester
E-mail from Douglas Richardson : In a recent posting, referen ce was made to Geoffrey Fitz Piers, Earl of Essex, and to his fa ther, Piers de Lutegareshale. Since about 1900, historians hav e been modernizing the name Piers as Peter. Consequently, it i s more appropriate to refer to these men as Geoffrey Fitz Pete r and Peter de Lutegareshale. As for Peter de Lutegareshale , I have found a reference to him as Peter the Forester and as s uch I presume he held the position as forester of the royal fore st of Ludgershale, Wiltshire. I imagine with a bit of detectiv e work, Peter the Forester's family and ancestry can be traced . In addition to modernizing the name Piers to Peter, I als o recommend using the modern spelling of Ludgershale.
As previously pointed out, Peter the Forester's wife, Maud, wa s not a Mandeville. My research suggests that either Peter or h is wife, Maud, was a sibling of Roger Fitz Geoffrey and his bro ther, Robert, who were knights and chief tenants of the Earls o f Salisbury. This would explain the appearance of the names , Geoffrey and Robert, among Peter and Maud's children. If corr ect, then Geoffrey Fitz Peter, Earl of Essex, obtained his give n name from a grandfather named Geoffrey.
Much more research is required to find all the answers. I fee l certain that the ancestry of Geoffrey Fitz Peter can be unrave lled if someone has the time and patience to do it. I'm tire d of copying inaccurate and incomplete information from secondar y sources, especially for this family.[MARSHALL.FTW]
SOURCE NOTES:
Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great
Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant. Gloucester: A
Sutton, 1982.
Watney, Vernon James, The Wallop Family and their Ancestry, Oxford:John
Johnson, 1928. LDS Film#1696491 items 6-9.
Weis, Frederick L, Magna Charta Sureties 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna
Charta and Some of Their Descendants. 4th Ed. Baltimore: Gen Pub Co, 1991.
Weis, Frederick Lewis, Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists, 6th Edition,
Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1988.
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AFN | AR:246C-27s2f, MC:159-2s, 9250-CT | ||
REFN | 13513 |
Pedigree
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