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Llewellyn ap Iorwerth, the Great, 1173-1240, Prince of North Wal es. (CP IX 276).
=Llewellyn Fawr ap Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales.

"Fawr" means "the Great". Llywelyn ap Iorwerth (Llywelyn son o f Iorwerth) is the same man as Llywelyn Fawr (Llywelyn the Great ).

See William Addams Reitwiesner's article in *The Genealogist* (A ssociation for the Promotion of Scholarship in Genealogy), vol . 1, no. 1 (Spring 1980), pp. 80-95. The children of Llywelyn F awr ap Iorwerth (c1173-1240) were as follows:

Sons:
(1) Gruffudd, illegitimate son by Tangwystl ferch Llywarch Goch
(2) Tegwared y Baiswen, illegitimate son by unknown woman
(3) Dafydd, legitimate son by Joan of England

Daughters:
(4) Angharad m. Maelgwn Ieuanc ap Maelgwn Hen (or Fawr)
(5) Angharad m. Philip ab Ivor
(6) NN (name unknown) m. William Caentwn
(7) Gwladus Ddu m1. Reginald de Braose m2. Ralph de Mortimer
(8) Margred m1. John de Braose m2. Walter de Clifford
(9) Gwenllian Las m. William de Lacy
(10) Elen m1. John, Earl of Chester m2. Robert de Quincy
(11) Elen m1. Malcolm, Earl of Fife m2. Donald, Earl of Mar

The purpose of my article was to show that the commonly ascribe d maternity of Llywelyn Fawr's daughters, i.e., that most if no t all of his daughters were also daughters of his wife Joan, dau ghter of King John of England, is unsupported and that the mothe r of these daughters must be shown as "unknown". Later, in th e same periodical, vol. 4, no. 2 (Fall 1983), pp. 137-138, Andre w B. W. MacEwen proved that the daughter Elen who married the Ea rl of Chester and later Robert de Quincy was a daughter of Joan.

William Addams Reitwiesner
wrei@@erols.com

See my article in *The Genealogist* (Association for the Promoti on of Scholarship in Genealogy), vol. 1, no. 1 (Spring 1980), pp . 80-95. The children of Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth (c1173-1240 ) were as follows:

Sons:

(1) Gruffudd, illegitimate son by Tangwystl ferch Llywarch Goch
(2) Tegwared y Baiswen, illegitimate son by unknown woman
(3) Dafydd, legitimate son by Joan of England

Daughters:

(4) Angharad m. Maelgwn Ieuanc ap Maelgwn Hen (or Fawr)
(5) Angharad m. Philip ab Ivor
(6) NN (name unknown) m. William Caentwn
(7) Gwladus Ddu m1. Reginald de Braose m2. Ralph de Mortimer
(8) Margred m1. John de Braose m2. Walter de Clifford
(9) Gwenllian Las m. William de Lacy
(10) Elen m1. John, Earl of Chester m2. Robert de Quincy
(11) Elen m1. Malcolm, Earl of Fife m2. Donald, Earl of Mar

The purpose of my article was to show that the commonly ascribe d maternity of Llywelyn Fawr's daughters, i.e., that most if no t all of his daughters were also daughters of his wife Joan, dau ghter of King John of England, is unsupported and that the mothe r of these daughters must be shown as "unknown". Later, in th e same periodical, vol. 4, no. 2 (Fall 1983), pp. 137-138, Andre w B. W. MacEwen proved that the daughter Elen who married the Ea rl of Chester and later Robert de Quincy was a daughter of Joan .
-- William Addams Reitwiesner

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