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SOURCE NOTES:
Moriarty, George Andrews, Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III And Queen
Philippa. Salt Lake: Mormon Pioneer Genealogical Society, 1985. LDS
Film#0441438. nypl#ARF-86-2555.

Previte-Orton, C. W., The Shorter Cambridge Medieval History, Cambridge:
University Press, 1952. Chatham 940.1PRE.

Redlich, Marcellus Donald R Von, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor
Charlemagne's Descdenants. Order of the Crown of Charlemagne, 1941.

Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Euroopaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte
der europaischen Staaten, New Series, Marburg: J.A. Stargardt, 1978-.

Watney, Vernon James, The Wallop Family and their Ancestry, Oxford:John
Johnson, 1928. LDS Film#1696491 items 6-9.

Weis, Frederick Lewis, Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists, 6th Edition,
Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1988.

Wilson, Alan B, Adelaide wife of Hugh Capet, posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL, Oct 21
1997. Author address abwilson@@uclink2.berkeley.edu.
RESEARCH NOTES:
Christian Settipani in "La prehistoire des Capetiens" (1993), pp.
415-419, discusses questions raised about the identity of Adelaide, wife
of Hugh Capet. He explicitly comments on Bouchard's article, "Patterns of
women's names in royal lineages, ninth-eleventh centuries," Medieval
prosopography, ix(1)(1988), pp. 1-32, as well as other objections by her
and by others. He concludes, I gather, the the objections are wanting,
and that William I of Poutou [III of Aquitaine] is Adelaide's father (as
in ES ii, 76).
A relevant paragraph (without diacritics or footnotes) reads: "Pour
en revenir a Adelais, la 'preuve' finale de sa filiation, ainsi que l'a
note A. Lewis, est peut-etre contenue dans un diplome de Lothaire
confirmant en 982 une donation qu'elle aurait faite au monastere de la
Trinite de Poitiers. Dans cet acte, il est precise qu'Adela, femme du duc
Eblo (sic), cousin (consobrinus) du Roi, etait la fille de la fondatrice
de la Trinite, Adela, qui avait effectue sa donation avec le consentement
de son fils le marquis Wilhelm. L'acte n'etant connu que par un vidimus
de 1377, l'editeur a corrige naturellement, 'Eblo', qui n'offre aucun sens
ici, en 'Hugo'. Si cette emendation etait fondee, nous aurions la preuve
finale du fait qu'Adelais, femme d'Hugues Capet, etait la fille de Wilhelm
III d'Aquitaine et d'Adela de Normandie, la soeur donc de Wilhelm IV. C.
Bouchard lui a cependant objecte le caractere conjectural de la
restitution : 'Hugh' pour 'Eblo', et la confusion du document qui aurtait
pour principaux acteurs Eblo et Adela, parents du duc Wilhelm III,
lesquels etaient pourtant decedes en 982. On comprend mal cette
objection. Le seul duc d'Aquitaine, dont la femme s'appelle Adela et qui
en eut un fils nomme Wilhelm, est Wilhelm III, epoux de Gerloc ou Adela de
Normandie (la seconde femme d'Ebalus etant bien surnommee Adela mais
n'etant pas la mere de Wilhelm III). De plus, on voit mal comment Ebalus
pouvait etre cousin de Lothaire. Sa lointaine origine carolingienne par
les femmes ne lui donne un ancetre commun avec Lothaire qu'en la personne
de Charlemagne. En outre le texte distingue entre l'epoux d'Adela, titre
'duc' et le comte de Poitiers Wilhelm, titre 'marquis'. Enfin,
contrairement a ce que dit C. Bouchard, le texte est parfaitement
coherent, une fois adopte la correction de nom. Lothaire confirme le don
fait par Adela, la femme de son cousin le duc Hugo, a la Trinite fondee
par la mere de celle-ci, Adela, avec le consentement de son fils, le
marquis Wilhelm."
I note that in his summary descent of the Robertiens, Table 11, he
lists Hugh Capet's wife as "Adelais d'Aquitaine."
I should appreciate an assessment by someone who can both read French
and weigh historical argument--skills in which I am sadly wanting.
[Ref: Wilson 10/21/97]

Response from Jason Cruse (jcruse@@nemonet.com) with translation:
"To come back to Adelais, the final "proof" of her [birth/relationship], is
perhaps contained in a diploma of Lothaire, which confirmed a donation, in
982, that she made to a monastery, the Trinity, in Poitiers. In this act,
it is stated that Adela, wife of Duke Eblo, cousin of the King, was the
daughter of the founder of the monsatery, Adela, who had made her donation
with the consent of her son, the Marquis Wilhelm. This act was not known
until 1377, when an editor corrected, naturally, Eblo, which has no
meaning, into Hugo. {trouble here in the first part, but my best guess, in
brackets} [If we can believe these records] then we have proof that
Adelais, wife of Hugh Capet, was the daughter of Wilhelm II of Aquitaine
and Adela of Normandy, and the sister of Wilhelm IV.
C, Bouchard objects to the correction of Eblo into Hugh, and the confusion
over the document which has for principal actors Eblo and Adela, parents of
Duke Wilhem III, who were, however, dead in 982.
The objections, however, are difficult to understand. The only duke of
Aquitaine whose wife was named Adela and whi had a son named Wilhelm, is
Wilhelm III, husband of Gerloc or Adela of Normandy (the second wife of
Ebalus was also named Adela, but was not the mother of Wilhelm III).
Moreover, it is difficult to see Ebalus could have been Lothaire's cousin.
His carolingian origins are so far removed that his only common ancester
with Lothaire could only be Charlemagne. In addition, the text
distinguishes between the spouse of Adel, entitled "duke" and the count of
Poitiers Wilhelm, entitled "marquis". Finally, contrary to what Bouchard
states, the text is perfectly clear, once the name adaptation is made.
Lothaire confirms the gift by Adela, wife of the cousin of Duke Hugo, to
the Trinity order founded by Adela, with the consent of her son, Marquis
Wilhelm." [Ref: Wilson 10/21/97]
SOURCE NOTES:
date: [Ref: Weis AR #144A] (950) [Ref: ES II #11] abt 945 [Ref: Moriarty p24]
abt 945/50 [Ref: Moriarty p26] abt 950 [Ref: Weis AR #53], parents: [Ref:
Moriarty p26, Weis AR #144A], father: [Ref: CMH p462, Moriarty p24]
SOURCE NOTES:
date: [Ref: ES II #11, Weis AR #53] (1004) [Ref: ES II #76] abt 1004 [Ref:
Moriarty p24, Moriarty p26, Weis AR #144A]