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SOURCE NOTES:
Bothwick, Richard, Merovingian ancestry of Hildegarde, posting to
GEN-MEDIEVAL, 4/12/98. Author address rgbor@@cyllene.uws.edu.au.

Moriarty, G. Andrews, Genealogical Research in Europe, NEHGR v110 (Jan 1956)
pp38-44.

Moriarty, George Andrews, Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III And Queen
Philippa. Salt Lake: Mormon Pioneer Genealogical Society, 1985. LDS
Film#0441438. nypl#ARF-86-2555.

Redlich, Marcellus Donald R Von, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor
Charlemagne's Descdenants. Order of the Crown of Charlemagne, 1941.

Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Euroopaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte
der europaischen Staaten, New Series, Marburg: J.A. Stargardt, 1978-.

Settipani, Christian, Les Ancetres de Charlemagne, 1989, and, Settipani,
Christian, and Patrick van Kerrebrouck, La Prehistoire des Capetiens, 1993, as
transcribed by Gilles Houdry, Aug 1994. Roots-l genealog.charlanc[1-7]

Watney, Vernon James, The Wallop Family and their Ancestry, Oxford:John
Johnson, 1928. LDS Film#1696491 items 6-9.

Weis, Frederick Lewis, Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists, 6th Edition,
Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1988.

Wurts, John S., Magna Charta: The Pedigrees of the Barons, Philadelphia, PA:
Brookfield Publishing Co, 1942.
RESEARCH NOTES:
Countess of Vinzgau [Ref: ES I #2]

The [ancestry of Hildegarde] seems to follow in steps 2-5 (excluding
Chlodosindis dau. of Sigebert) a reconstruction by K A Eckhardt [1]. Eckhardt
(p.105) has Chrodoald (d.624/25) m. about 610 a name unknown dau. of Gisulf
duke of the Lombards. He is tentative (and well he may be) in making Theodo II
(d.716) the son of Fara (d.641). E Zoellner's very influential paper [2]
addresses many of the central problems of his subject particularly the
question of the origins of the Agilolfings and he has Eckhardt's hypothesis on
this question in his sights. Zoellner (or Stoermer) may have done the article
on the Agilolfinger in the rather more generally accessible *Lexikon des
Mittelalters*.
M Werner [3] discusses Regintrud at some length (pp.221-236 see also his
chart at the end of the book). He considers the siblinghood of Adela of
Pfalzel and Regintrud to be firm. He is more tentative in adopting the rest of
Hlawitschka's well known articulation of the structure of the Hugobert/Irmina
family [4] - in particular the claim that Hugobert and Irmina were parents of
the two sisters Adela and Regintrud. He follows and develops (again
tentatively) Jarnut's hypothesis that Regintrud married twice. Her first
marriage was to a man unknown and by whom she had a daughter Piltrud
(Bilitrud/Beletrud/Plektrud) who in turn married successively the brothers
Theodold and Grimoald dukes of Bavaria. These two men are known sons of Theodo
II. Another son of Theodo II (and his immediate successor) was Theodebert (d.
by 7 17/18) duke of Bavaria. Theodebert was Regintrud's second husband by whom
she had Hucbert and Guntrud and possibly a second son who is identified as
Tassilo II. So Piltrud married her step-uncles. This hypothesis originally
proposed by Jarnut [5] set out to explain the claim in the sources that
Swanahild second wife of Charles Martel was the niece of Piltrud and of Odilo
duke of Bavaria. According to the Jarnut/Werner hypothesis Swanahild was the
daughter of Piltrud's half-brother (possibly Tassilo II) by a sister (possibly
named 'Imma') sister of duke Odilo.
While the Jarnut/Werner hypothesis rules out certain options when attempting
to solve the problem of the origin of duke Odilo (and of his putative sister
Imma), the hypothesis as such does not commit one to a particular answer.
Jarnut (p.351) does think it probable that Odilo (and his unnamed sister) was
son of duke Gotfrid of Alemannia. In this he agrees with Eckhardt. But B Behr
[6] disagrees with them both.
The last of the Agilolfing dukes of Bavaria, Tassilo III, was the son of
duke Odilo by Hiltrud daughter of Charles Martel. This is not in dispute.
The onomastic argument for the Jarnut/Werner genealogical hypothesis is
interesting. Hucbert (d.735) has a variant of the name of Regintrud's
probable father, Hugobert; and Guntrud (who married a Lombard king) has a
variant of Regintrud's name (guntrud -> gerentrud -> regentrud). 'Piltrud' is
a variant of 'plektrud' which was name of another of Regintrud's probable
sisters (first wife of Pippin II).
How is it that Odilo (d.about 748), if he was son of duke Gotfrid (d.709) of
Alemannia (following Eckhardt and others), became duke of Bavaria? Eckhardt
explains this by having a daughter of Theodo II (d.716) marry duke Gotfrid.
This is not really plausible on chronological grounds. His onomastic argument
is interesting but I think his onomastic points points may well invite an
explanation of the relationship between Odilo and the previous dukes that did
not rely on Odilo's mother being a daughter of Theodo II. On several
reconstructions of the early Agilolfings, the succession of the duchy was
shared by collateral branches of the family group (eg Eckhardt himself on
p.105). An onomastic case could be made for the Alemannic family being a
collateral branch of the (in the male/female line of the Agilolfings). Behr
does not think there is any solid evidence that Odilo was son of Gotfrid (i.e.
a member of the Alemannic ducal family). Zoellner (pp.103-106) canvasses the
evidence and possible hypotheses regarding Odilo's origins.
Now to Hildegard. What is known for certain is that she was the daughter of
count Gerold by his wife Imma sister of Ruadpert and daughter of Nebi/Hnabi.
In Thegan's "Vita" of Louis the Pious Nebi is made a son of Huoching
son of Gotfrid. Behr accepts this as probable but not certain. There is some
difficulty (noted by Eckhardt [7] p.62-64) with the name 'Huoching'. Strictly
speaking, so goes his argument, 'Huoching' is not a personal name but a clan
name like 'Agilolfing'. The personal name would be 'Hoc/Huoch'. Thegan or his
source misread/misheard the original source and the line should have been
reported thus: duke Gotfrid  begat Nebi/Hnabi, Nebi Huoching begat Imma.
On this account 'Huoching' properly refers to the clan name of the Alemannic
ducal family. Thus according to Eckhardt Gotfrid would be g-grandfather of
<B>Hildegard</B> instead of her g-g-grandfather.
ES [8] XII:24 gives the certain information on <B>Hildegard</B> and relies
heavily on Borgolte [9]. The latter points out (p.185) that The Nebi in
question had interests in the middle Rhine region not in Alemannia (Swabia)
and Borgolte follows T Mayer in rejecting a connection with the Alemannic
ducal family, or at least considers it not proven. There was a Nebi who may
have been connected with the ducal family and whose interests lay in
Alemannia. Thegan's genealogy of <B>Hildegard</B> most likely confused the
two.
The claim that <B>Hildegard</B> has a descent from the Merovingians through
the Agilolfings seems very weak. The claim that <B>Hildegard</B> descended
from duke Gotfrid is is weak. It is almost certain that Regintrud was not a
daughter of a Merovingian king but the daughter of Hugobert count of the
palace and his wife Irmina of Oehren. It is also likely that she was not the
wife of Theodo II but of his son Theodebert. The best chance for an Agilolfing
descent rests on Alda/Aldana being the daughter of Charles Martel by the
Agilolfing, Swanahild. For reasons recent postings to this group that chance
is slim (following Hlawitschka I am agnostic on this filiation for
Alda/Aldana). One should also note that K F Werner ([10] pp.161-166) thinks
that an Agilolfing connection for <B>Hildegard</B> comes through her father,
Gerold, but his argument has to do with name groups and not with precise
filiations.
References
[1] K A Eckhardt *Merowingerblut II: Agilolfinger und Etichonen*
(Witzenhausen, 1965) pp.105, 153
[2] E Zoellner 'Das Geschlecht der Agilolfinger' in *Mitteilungen
Oberoestereichischen Landesarchivs* (Linz, 1978) vol.2 pp.83-110
[3] M Werner *Adelsfamilien im Umkreis der fruehen Karolinger: Die
Verwandschaft Irminas von Oehren und Adelas von Pfalzel* (Sigmaringen, 1982)
[4] E Hlawitswchka 'Die Vorfahren Karls des Grossen' in *Karl der Grosse,
Lebenswerk und Nachleben I* (1965) ed. W Braunfels
[5] J Jarnut 'Beitraege zu den fraenkisch-bayerisch-langobardischen
Beziehungen im 7. und 8. Jahrhundert (656-783)' in *Zeitschrift fuer
bayerische Landesgeschichte* 39 (1976), pp.331-352.
[6] B Behr *Das alemannische Herzogtum bis 750* (Frankfurt, 1975) pp.184ff.
[7] K A Eckhardt *Merowingerblut I: Die Karolinger und ihre Frauen*
(Witzenhausen, 1965)
[8] "ES": D Schwennicke (ed) *Europaeische Stammtafeln: Stammtafen zur
Geschichte der Europaeishen Staaten - Neue Folge* Band XII (Marburg, 1992)
[9] M Borgolte *Die Grafen Alemanniens in merowingischer und karolingischer
Zeit: Eine Prosopographie* (Sigmaringen, 1986)
[10] K F Werner 'Important noble families in the kingdom of Charlemagne -
a prosopographical study of the relationship between king and nobility in
the early middle ages' in T Reuter (ed) *The Medieval Nobility* (Amsterdam/New
York/Oxford, 1978, 137-202. Translated from the German by T Reuter. [Ref:
Richard Bothwick 4/12/1998]
SOURCE NOTES:
date: [Ref: ES I #2, Moriarty p233, Moriarty p5, Moriarty p8, Moriarty p9,
Weis AR #50] (757) [Ref: ES XII #24], parents: [Ref: Moriarty p212, Moriarty
p233, Moriarty p8, Moriarty p9, Weis AR #182], father: [Ref: Moriarty p5,
Moriarty v110p44, Weis AR #50]
SOURCE NOTES:
date: [Ref: ES XII #24] 783 [Ref: Moriarty p233, Watney #207] Apr 30 783 [Ref:
ES I #2, Moriarty p5, Moriarty p8, Moriarty p9, Redlich p120, Weis AR #50]
SOURCE NOTES:
place: [Ref: ES XII #24]