Of East Angies, Lucia

Birth Name Of East Angies, Lucia 1a
Gramps ID I25459
Gender female

Events

Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Death [E25619] about 1136    
1b

Parents

Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father Of Buckingham, Sheriff Of Lincoln, Thorold [I28438]before 1079
Mother , (Unk Dau) [I28439]
         Of East Angies, Lucia [I25459] about 1136

Families

    Family of De MESCHINES, Earl Of Chester, Ranulph III and Of East Angies, Lucia [F9191]
Married Husband De MESCHINES, Earl Of Chester, Ranulph III [I25458] ( * + JAN 1128/29 )
   
Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Marriage [E31051] about 1098    
1c
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
Le MESCHIN, Adeliza [I25200]
Earl Of Chester, Vicomte D'Avranches, Ranulf [I25722]about 11001153-12-16

Narrative

[MARSHALL.FTW]

SOURCE NOTES:
Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great
Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant. Gloucester: A
Sutton, 1982.

Holloway, Naomi D, The Genealogy of Mary Wentworth, Who Became the Wife of
William Brewster, Revised Edition, October 1969. LDS Film#1738313 item#5

Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., Domesday Book and the Malets: Patrimony and the Private
Histories of Public Lives, in Nottingham Medieval Studies, XLI, 1997. p13-56.

KeatsRohan, K.S.B., The Parentage of Countess Lucy Made Plain, Prosopon 2, May
1995. http://www.linacre.ox.ac.uk/research/prosop/PRSPN2.stm

Wagner, Anthony, Pedigree and Progress, Essays in the Genealogical
Interpretation of History, London, Philmore, 1975. Rutgers Alex CS4.W33.

Watney, Vernon James, The Wallop Family and their Ancestry, Oxford:John
Johnson, 1928. LDS Film#1696491 items 6-9.

Weis, Frederick Lewis, Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists, 6th Edition,
Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1988.
RESEARCH NOTES:
widow of Ivo Taillebois and Roger Fitz Gerold [Ref: Weis AR #246B]

parentage is one of the unsolved puzzles of genealogy. Possibly daughter
of Aelfgar, Earl of Mercia; possible daughter of Thorold, Sheriff of
Lincoln. Latter seems more likely [Ref: CP VII AppJ] note: Lady Godiva,
mother of Aelfgar, also listed as sister of Thorold Sheriff of Lincs [Ref:
Weis AR #176A]

parents being Turold the Sheriff and daughter of Robert Malet's sister
first suggested by R. Kirk in 1888. This account has the merits of explaining
why the lordship of Spalding and other places in Lincolnshire were held after
Ivo's death not by Beatrice, his direct heir and the daughter of his marriage
to Lucy, but by the later husbands of Lucy, Roger Fitx Gerold and Ranulph
Meschines. [Ref: KeatsRohan Lucy]

Spurious charter of Crowland Abbey made Turold of Bucknal (the Sheriff)
the founder of the priory of Spalding as a cell of Crowland. It also called
Turold brother of Godiva countess of Mercia, but subsequently described
Godiva's son Earl Algar as Turold's cognatus (cousin). A genealogia
fundatoris of Coventry Abbey made Lucy a daughter of Earl Algar and sister and
heiress of earls Edwin and Morcar. The Peterborough Chronicle and the
Pseudo-Ingulf's Chronicle of Crowland both made Lucy the daughter of Algar and
niece of great-niece of Turold. We know that William Malet was half-English,
so these traditions probably boil down to a relationship between Countess
Godiva and William's English mother. [Ref: KeatsRohan Lucy]

in initial benefaction Ivo and Lucy referred to 'our ancestors Turold and
his wife' The reference to Turold's wife indicates that some part of his
landholdings had come to him through his wife, something also indicated by the
occurrence of William Malet amongst those who had held the Domesday lands of
Lucy's first husband Ivo Taillebois before him. [Ref: KeatsRohan Lucy]
SOURCE NOTES:
parents: Turold & dau William Malet [Ref: Keats-Rohan Malet p53, KeatsRohan
Lucy], father: Aelfgar Earl of Mercia or Thorold Sheriff of Lincoln [Ref: CP
VII AppJ]
RESEARCH NOTES:
parents: Aelfgar Earl of East Anglia & Aelfgifu [Ref: Watney #589, Watney
#673]
SOURCE NOTES:
date: [Ref: Holloway p5] living 1130 [Ref: Watney #230, Weis AR #132A]

Attributes

Type Value Notes Sources
AFN AR:132A-26s, AR:246B-25sm, V9TZ-2F
 

Pedigree

  1. Of Buckingham, Sheriff Of Lincoln, Thorold [I28438]
    1. , (Unk Dau) [I28439]
      1. Of East Angies, Lucia
        1. De MESCHINES, Earl Of Chester, Ranulph III [I25458]
          1. Le MESCHIN, Adeliza [I25200]
          2. Earl Of Chester, Vicomte D'Avranches, Ranulf [I25722]

Ancestors

Source References

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