de Toeni, Roger Standard Bearer of Normandy
Birth Name | de Toeni, Roger Standard Bearer of Normandy 1 2a |
Also Known As | de Toeni, Roger “The Spaniard” 2b |
Also Known As | De TOENI, Roger I 3a |
Gramps ID | I4029 |
Gender | male |
Age at Death | unknown |
Events
Event | Date | Place | Description | Notes | Sources |
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Birth [E4844] | about 990 |
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2c 3b | ||
Death [E4845] | BET. 1038 - 1039 |
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2d | ||
Death [E4846] | about 1039 |
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3c | ||
Burial [E4847] | 1039-05-31 | Conches |
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Parents
Relation to main person | Name | Birth date | Death date | Relation within this family (if not by birth) |
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Father | de Toeni, Ralph II the younger [I4028] | |||
de Toeni, Roger Standard Bearer of Normandy [I4029] | about 990 | BET. 1038 - 1039 | ||
Stepfather | De TOENI, Seigneur Of Tonsi And Conches, Ralph [I26646] | before 970 | after 1016 | |
de Toeni, Roger Standard Bearer of Normandy [I4029] | about 990 | BET. 1038 - 1039 |
Families
  |   | Family of de Toeni, Roger Standard Bearer of Normandy and de Barcelona, Adela [F0580] | ||||||||||||
Married | Wife | de Barcelona, Adela [I1467] ( * 1004 + 1034 ) | ||||||||||||
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Children |
Name | Birth Date | Death Date |
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sn de Conches, Ralf de Toeni II [I0833] | about 1029 | 1101/2-03-24 (Julian) |
Lord Stafford, Robert de Toeni de Stafford [I0952] | about 1031 | 1088 |
de Toeni, Adelise [I4025] | about 1035 | after 1130 |
Event | Date | Place | Description | Notes | Sources |
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Marriage [E32492] | JAN |
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3e |
Name | Birth Date | Death Date |
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De TONI, Adelise [I26628] | about 1060 | |
De TOENI, Lord Of Flamstead, Hertford, Ralph III [I26125] | about 1025 | 1101/2-03-24 (Julian) |
Narrative
[SUSANNA KEENE.FTW]
[MARSHALL.FTW]
SOURCE NOTES:
Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great
Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant. Gloucester: A
Sutton, 1982.
Farmerie, Todd A, Mother of Adeliza (Alice) de Toeni, posting to GEN-MEDIEVAL,
1/5/99. Author address taf2@@po.cwru.edu.
Moriarty, George Andrews, Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III And Queen
Philippa. Salt Lake: Mormon Pioneer Genealogical Society, 1985. LDS
Film#0441438. nypl#ARF-86-2555.
Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Euroopaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte
der europaischen Staaten, New Series, Marburg: J.A. Stargardt, 1978-.
Watney, Vernon James, The Wallop Family and their Ancestry, Oxford:John
Johnson, 1928. LDS Film#1696491 items 6-9.
RESEARCH NOTES:
1013-4: joined with his father in the custody of the castle of Tillieres [Ref:
CP XII/1 p755]
1038-9: While Duke Robert was away on pilgrimage, he went to Spain and
distinguished himself in fighing. When he returned to Normandy, he was furious
to learn that the boy William had succeeded his father in the Duchy, declaring
that a bastard ought not to rule over him and other Normans. Accordingly he
rebelled and ravaged the lands of his neighbors, particularly those of
Humphrey de Vielles; whose son Roger de Beaumont marched against him and in
the battle which followed Roger de Toeni and two of his sons were slain. [Ref:
CP XII/1 p755]
Standard-bearer of Normandy [Ref: CP VI p448]
Roger was exiled, and ended up "crusading" in and around Barcelona. Sources
from that area report that he married a (unnamed) daughter of the countess of
Barcelona (widow of Ramon Borrell). Norman sources only show him married to a
Godeheut, who as his widow remarried. What gives then? Was Adele his first
wife and Godeheut his second? Was Godeheut the Norman name for the Barcelona
princess? Is the Barcelona source wrong in stating that they married?
Helpful in solving the question would appear to be Berenger Hispina de Toeny.
I think it is safe to conclude that he owed his name to this marriage (and I
have often wondered if Hispina wasn't a garbled 'of Spain'). Unfortunately
his parentage is also in question. A recent account of the Tosny family
showed him as son of Roger and Adelaide, but Evans, in his paper of Todeny de
Belvoir showed him as belonging to that branch, and suggested that a second
Toeny married down south. Keats-Rohan seems to accept the marriage, and that
Adelaide was mother of Roger's children. [Ref: Farmerie 1/5/99]
SOURCE NOTES:
date: about 990 [Ref: CP XII/1 p755], father: [Ref: CP VI p448, CP XII/1 p754,
Watney #967]
SOURCE NOTES:
date: (1040) [Ref: ES III #705] 1038 or 1039 [Ref: CP XII/1 p755] abt 1040
[Ref: Watney #52, Watney #967]
SOURCE NOTES:
date: [Ref: CP XII/1 p755], place: [Ref: CP XII/1 p755]
Narrative
Records not imported into INDI (individual) Gramps ID I4029:
Line ignored as not understood Line 95664: 2 SOUR @S085410@
Skipped subordinate line Line 95665: 3 DATA
Skipped subordinate line Line 95666: 4 TEXT Date of Import: Aug 7, 2000
Attributes
Type | Value | Notes | Sources |
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AFN | ES:III-705, HRN0-PR | ||
REFN | 5457 |
Pedigree
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de Toeni, Ralph II the younger [I4028]
- de Toeni, Roger Standard Bearer of Normandy
Ancestors
Source References
- Brian Tompsett, Dept of Computer Science: University of Hull Royal Database (England), Author Address: [S13227]
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