General Notes

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There is a lot of confusion as to the order of Louis' wives; whether they were legitimate marriages; and which was the mother of his various children.  For example Ancestral Roots, in line 143-16 states that Adelaide of Paris is the 3rd wife, while in line 148-16, AR states that Adelaide was the 2nd wife.  I am following line 143 (3rd wife), which makes her the last wife, and obviously mother of Charles III, since he was born posthumously.

(Andre Roux: Scrolls, 191.)
(Stuart, Royalty for Commoners, Page 130, Line 171-38.)
(Paul, Nouveau Larousse Universel.)
(Rosamond, Frankish kingdom under Carolingians, Page 258.)
(Andre Castelot, Histoire de La France, Tome 1, Page 387).

Louis II, King de France (the Stammerer) AKA: Louis II, King d'Aquitaine. Also Known As: Louis "Le Begue".

Born: in Nov 846 in Compiegne, Oise, Ile-de-France, France, son of Charles II, King de France and Ermentrude d'Orleans . Married in 862: Ansgarde de Bourgogne , daughter of Hardouin, Count de Bourgogne; She was given in marriage to Louis by her brother, Odon, often confused with Odon, Count of Troyes, an older man and one of Louis' detractors (Rosamond, Frankish kingdom under Carolingians, Page 185). Note - between 867 and 879: Louis II was the King of Aquitaine from 867 to 879 and became King of France in 877, crowned at Compiegne by Hincmar, Archbishop of Rheims on 8 October. If the children and grandchildren of Charlemagne had an easy time ascending to the throne by virtue of their parentage, the same is not true for Louis. Louis had to be elected by the Greats - the nobles whose power had been growing steadily - and they conceded only after having received countships and additional powers. Moreover, Louis had to accept the tutelage of his maternal uncle, Hughes, Marquis of Neustria who also received the countship of Tours. He died 16 months later while making preparations to reprimand Bernard, Duke of Septimanie. Upon his death, nobles, looking to enhance their own power saw the kingdom partitioned between Louis III and Carloman, who were both crowned and anointed at Ferrieres in September 879 by Ansegis, Archbishop of Sens.  Louis III's portion comprised Francia and Neustria, and Carloman ruled Burgundy, Aquitaine and Gothia.

Married between 868 and 869: Adelaide=Adelheid de Paris, daughter of Adalhard, Count de Paris.  [Note: I have differenty ancestry for Adelaide, see notes under Adelaide]

Died: on 11 Apr 879 in France at age 32 Louis II died sooner than expected after having divided his kingdom between his two sons, Louis III and Carloman. To the older son went Francia and Neustria; and to the younger went Bourgogne, Aquitaine and the Marche of Spain. This creation of two kingdoms is highly disputed because the two sons are not viewed by some as legitimate because Charles le Chauve had not officially recognized Louis marriage to Ansgarde.  Louis was not favored, and on 15 October 879, Provence and Bourgogne recognize Richilde's (Charles le Chauve's widow) brother, Bozon. Moreover, Louis, son of Louis le Germanique, also lays claim to the throne of France. Thus, to make matters rather complicated there exists three kings of France at this time.

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          Birth date is given here as 856 while the Broderbung gedcom says 846.

          Western Frankish King  877-879

          Louis the Stammerer was briefly King in France after his father died in 877.
          When Louis died two years later, the nobels wanted to make Louis the
          Younger, King of Saxony, the King, but through the power of the major
          French nobles Duke Hugh, Duke Boso, and Count Bernard, Louis III and
          Carloman, both sons of the late king were made joint kings of France.

Source: Frederick Lewis Weis & Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., Ancestral Rootsof certain American colonists..., (Edition 7, Genealogical PublishingCompany, Baltimore, 1992), 143-16.

King of the West Franks, 877-879, born November 1, 846, died April 10,879. He was a mediocre sovereign known only for having received Pope JohnVIII. in France, where he held a council at Troyes. He died after atwo-year reign. He married (1) Ansgard of Burgundy.