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Stuar t's "Royalty fo r Co mmo ners" (2 58:38) identifi es the wi fe
of MANASSE S
and m other of GISELBERT a s "Ermenga rde, princ ess o fB urgundy; d. 12
Apr
935;prob. dau. of BOSO, K I N G O F BURG UNDY [sic. KING
OF PROVENCE (RIN 213 7)]."
Matman posted tosoc.g enea logy.medi eval on 20 M ay 19 97 ( in p
art):S ubject:
Re: Wi fe of Mana ss as I, C. o f Ch alon"Gisel ber t ap pears wi th hi s
mo
ther
Ermengarde (I) in a charter of 92 4.I don't think sh e died in 9 35 , but
she was dead by then . Some of theconfu sion un doubtedly c omes from th e
fact tha t GISELBE RTs wife wasalso called E RM ENGA RDE (II) in a chart e
r
o f 942, w hich also names thei rdaughter ADELAID E. N o docu ment or
source
s ays w hothe fathers of these di fferent Ermen gard e' s we re. But some
have
s peculated tha t t he nameErmenga r de was introduced into thes e familie
s
by
the marriage o f B OSOto ERMENGA RDE O F ITALY [RI N 2138] (dau. of LOUIS
II
[RIN 2139],whose mum was ERMENGARDE d.85 1). Thus s om e see Ermeng ard e
( I)
as a dau ofBOS O OF P ROVENCE (d.88 7), the refore gra nd-dau of BUVINUS
C O U NT OFMETZ [RIN 4258] (and I think th i s theor y c an be found
somewhere
in th e ES).A old view was th at E rmengard e (II) was the dau ghter of
RICHARD THEJ UST I CIA R [RIN 1238] (d. 921) b roth er of BOS O: th is w
as
followed byM cki tteric k in her book on the Ca rolingi ans (198 3). But
th
er
e have beenother the or ies as w ell. The ES is no t muc h he l p on this
as
it
tends toplon k th e vari ous (often contradict ory) theo ries d own in
diffe re ntvolumes, w ith out any ex plana tion. I wonder what S e tt ipan
i
says?I think some have not e d that there is yet anothe r Ermengarde (
III)
whoa ppears a s the f irst wi fe of Leotold o f Macon and Besa ncon in t
he
ch
arterof 935 (Cl uny 432): she was a daughter o fManasses I a nd sister of
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