General Notes

Hawise de Muscegros, b. 21 Dec 1276, d. aft. 24 June 1340; m.(2) bet. 2 Feb 1297/8 and 13 Sep 1300, Sir John de Ferrers, LordFerrers of Chartley, d. 1312; m. (3) Sir John de Bures, d.Bodington, 21 or 22 Dec 1350. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Note: Ancestral Roots has a death date: 'bef. Dec 1350', both AR& MCS could be correct since the dates are not mutuallyexclusive.

Note: Some say that no marriage took place between William deMortimer & Hawise de Muscegros, only a betrothal. However MCSnames her marriage to John de Ferrers as her 2nd marriage and3rd to John de Bures, and CP IX:281 note (c) states that themarriage took place, however the CP entry below states themarriage was 'not consumated'.

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He [John de Ferrers] married, between 2 February 1297/8 and 13September 1300, Hawise, daughter and heir of Sir Robert DEMUSCEGROS, of Stowell, Norton, and Charlton, Somerset, Kemertonand Boddington, co. Gloucester, Hampstead and Aldworth, Berks,by Agnes, his wife (c). She was widow of William DE MORTEMER, ofBridgwater, Milverton, and Odcombe, Somerset, Crendon, Bucks,&c. (a younger son of Sir Roger de Mortemer, of Wigmore, co.Hereford), who died s.p. shortly before 30 June 1297, but thismarriage had not been consummated. On 12 and 17 July 1302 Johnde Ferrers and Hawise had livery of the lands of Cecily deMuscegros, her grandmother (who died shortly before 10 August1301), the King having taken his homage therefor. When Seneschalof Gascony, he had serious differences (graves dissensiones etdiscordie), from which tumults had arisen, with Amanieu, Sired'Albret, and other magnates, and on 5 August 1312 John andAmanieu were ordered to appear before a commission appointed tosettle the dispute; finally, 16 and 19 August, they were orderedto come before the King wherever he might be in England, to makepeace in the royal presence: but about this time, probably inAugust 1312, John died in Gascony, of poison, it was said, atthe age of 41. His widow married Sir John de BURES. In 1329 and1330 they made dispositions dealing with all, or nearly all, ofher cstates. She, who was born 21 December 1276, was living, 24June 1340, but died before him. He died at Boddington, 21 or 22December 1350. [Complete Peerage V:581-5, (transcribed by DaveUtzinger)]

(c) According to the usual account, this Agnes was daughter ofWilliam, Earl of Derby, by his 2nd wife, Margaret de Quency.This is obviously impossible, for it would make John and Hawisefirst cousins.

NOTE: 'Some Corrections & Additions to CP', based on argumentsby Douglas Richardson, does not think that Hawise was daughterof Robert de Muscegros by Agnes de Ferrers, as this would makeHawise & John 1st cousins, and their dispensation was based on amuch more tenuous relationship. Also Douglas claims that thefirst appearance of Agnes as Robert de Muscegros' wife was in1278/9, so Hawise was probably daughter of some earlierMuscegros.