Alice (Joan) De Lisle 
Alice (Joan) De was born in 1338 in Harewood Castle, Weeton, West Ride Yorkshire, England. Alice (Joan) De's father was Of Rougemont, Sir John 2Nd Baron De Lisle and her mother was Maud De Grey. Her paternal grandparents were Of Rougemont, Sir Robert 1St Baron De Lisle and Margaret De Beauchamp; her maternal grandparents were Henry de Grey and Anne de Rockley. She was an only child. She died at the age of 63 on August 12th, 1401.1 General Notes
He married, in or before 1355, Joan (or Alice), when his father in that year settled on them by fine the manor of Nether Kellet. He died v.p. and s.p.m.] [Complete Peerage VI:532, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
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The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 14 Oct 2002, by Douglas Richardson, which identifies the wife of Robert de Holand:
From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry@msn.com)
Subject: Re: Elizabeth de Holand, bastard sister of Queen Philippe of Hainault
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-10-14 12:50:24 PST
As for Robert de Holand, Knt., 2nd Lord Holand, he seems to have led a quiet life and made little impact on the records of the time. This is in sharp contrast to his younger brother, Thomas de Holand, Earlof Kent, who was a famous warrior in the time period, and one of the founders of the Knights of the Garter. Also, I find no record in which either Robert deHoland, his wife, Elizabeth, or their descendants were styled kinfolk by King Edward III or any successive king, saving the one reference I have already cited. Consequently, proving that Robert de Holand's wife, Elizabeth, is identifical with Elizabeth de Holand, bastard sister of Queen Philippe, might well be a difficult task.
As for Robert de Holand's eldest son, Robert, I find that heserved in the retinue of the King and Prince Edward in the campaign of 1346-47. In 1347 the abbot of Furnes complained he violated the abbot's liberties in Lonsdale Hundred, co. Lancaster. He married in or before 1355 (date of settlement) Alice de Lisle, daughter of John de Lisle (presumably 2nd Lord Lisle of Rougemont). They had one daughter and heiress, Maud. He was living 10 May 1367,and died sometime before 16 Mar. 1372/3. His widow, Alice, married (2nd) before 1372/3 (date of settlement) (as his 2nd wife) Edmund de Hemegrave, Knt., of Hengrave, Little Wratting, Mutford, Westley, etc., Suffolk and Fordham, co. Cambridge, son and heir of Thomas de Hemegrave, Knt., by his 1st wife, Isabel. Hewas born about 1321 (aged 28 in 1349). They had no issue. Sir Edmund de Hemegrave died testate 4 Feb. 1379. His widow, Alice, married (3rd) Richard Wychingham, of Wychingham, Norfolk. They had no issue. She left a will dated 12 Aug. 1401, proved 19 Jan. 1401/2.
The following sources pertain to Robert de Holand, the younger, and his wife, Alice de Lisle:
Blomefield 4: 88. Suckling, pg. 271. J. Gage, Hist. & Antiq. of Hengrave in Suffolk (1822), pp. 81-94. Calendar of Patent Rolls, 1364-1367 (1912), pg. 393. VCH Lancaster 8 (1914): 2,139. Complete Peerage 6 (1926): 532. G. Paget, Baronage of England (1957) 289: 1. List of Inq. ad Quod Damnum 2 (PRO, Lists and Indexes, No. 22) (repr. 1963): 580,593.
Alice de Lisle's identity, parentage, and successive marriages are not mentioned in Complete Peerage. So, this is yet another addition for Complete Peerage for Chris Phillips' website.
For interest sake, the followingcolonial immigrants descend from Robert de Holand, Knt., 2nd Lord Holand (died1373), and his wife, Elizabeth, possible bastard sister of Queen Philippe:
1. Essex Beville.
2. Charles Calvert.
3. Mary Launce (two descents).
4. Thomas Lunsford.
5. Herbert Pelham.
6. William Poole.
7. Maria Johanna Somerset.
Likewise, the following colonial immigrants descend from Margaret de Holand, wife of Marmaduke de Lumley, who is likely the daughter of Robert de Holand, Knt., 2nd Lord Holand.
1. Charles Calvert.
2. John Fenwick.
3. William Poole.
4. Richard Saltonstall.
5. Maria Johanna Somerset.
6. Olive Welby.
7. Thomas Wingfield.
Information on the specific descents down to the individualcolonists will be found in the forthcoming book, Plantagenet Ancestry, soon tobe released. The book is still available for a short time at a special prepublication price for newsgroup members. Please contact me at my e-mail address below for details on ordering the book.
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Ancestor Pedigree Chart
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*There are earlier generations for the ancestor(s) indicated. See their page(s) for details (click name)
- b.1225 in Cambridgeshire, England d.1262
- b.1243 in Rampton, Chesterton, Cambridgeshire, England d.1284 in Nedging, Cosford, Suffolk, England
- b.1224 in Kingston Lisle, England
- b.1263 in Campton, Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, England d.07 Dec 1296
- b.1245 in Charlton Musgrove, Wincanton, Somerset, England d.1284
- b.20 Jan 1288 in Campton, Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, England d.04 Jan 1344 in Harewood Castle, Weeton, West Ride Yorkshire, England
- b.1268 in Beaudesert Castle, Warwickshire, England d.1317
- b.1318 in Harewood Castle, Weeton, West Ride Yorkshire, England d.14 Oct 1355 in Campton, Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, England
- b.1295 in Beauchamp's Court, Alcester, Warwickshire, England d.Sep 1339
- b.1338 in Harewood Castle, Weeton, West Ride Yorkshire, England d.12 Aug 1401
- b.1205 in Shirland, England d.18 Mar 1266 in Shirland, Derbyshire, England
- b.1235 in Wilton, England d.05 Apr 1308
- b.1212 in Shalbourne, England
- b.1258 in Wilton Castle, Ross-on-Wye, Herefordshire, England d.28 Oct 1323 in Ruthin, Denbigshire, Wales
- b.1210 in Wilton Castle, England
- b.1240 in Wilton, England d.21 Nov 1302
- b.1235 in Catterlen, Cumberland, England
- b.28 Oct 1282 in Wilton Castle, Ross-on-Wye, Herefordshire, England d.10 Dec 1342 in Shirland, Derbyshire, England
- b.Jan 1200 in Norfolk, East Anglia, England d.19 Jul 1230 in Poitou, France
- b.1226 in Alton, England d.21 Oct 1274 in Arklow, Wicklow, Leinster, Ireland
- b.1204 in Alton, Staffordshire, England d.10 Feb 1245 in Alton Castle, Cheadle, Staffordshire, England
- b.1260 in Alton Castle, Cheadle, Staffordshire, England
- b.1198
- b.1226 d.10 Jun 1256
- b.1222 in Thetford, Norfolk, England d.1239
- b.~ 1318 in Wilton Castle, Ross-On-Wye, Herefordshire, England d.03 Jan 1377
- b.~ 1260 in Leicestershire, England
- b.~ 1290 in Leicestershire, England
- b.1180 in Hertford, Hertfordshire, England d.25 Oct 1230 in Penrose, Brittany, France
- b.18 May 1228 in Gloucestershire, England d.1258 in Retherford, England
- b.09 Oct 1200 in Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England d.17 Jan 1240 in Berkhamstead, Hertfordshire, England
- b.~ 1264 in Leicestershire, England
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Details of Alice (Joan) De's family with Of Thorpe Waterville, Sir Robert V De Holand
Details of Alice (Joan) De's family with Sir Knight Edmund De Hengrave
Details of Alice (Joan) De's family with Richard De Wychingham
1 Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com @ Douglas Richardson, 14 Oct 2002
Further sources/citations:
Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by FrederickLewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999 @ 47a-32, Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles MosleyEditor-in-Chief, 1999 @ 3100, Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the UnitedKingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 @ VI:532, GEDCOM File : emsuggs.ged, GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged @ 55, http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GED&db=:3152034&id=I106707
Further sources/citations:
Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by FrederickLewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999 @ 47a-32, Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles MosleyEditor-in-Chief, 1999 @ 3100, Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the UnitedKingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 @ VI:532, GEDCOM File : emsuggs.ged, GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged @ 55, http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GED&db=:3152034&id=I106707
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