General Notes

Tenant in Chief in Counties of Middlesex & Surrey, Berkshire, Buckinghamsh
ire & Hampshire, England
Cokayne's Complete Peerage in Dave's Database.
Dave's Database. Utzinger, Dave, Rootsweb's WorldConnect, World Wide We
b: Available: [Online]: (http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?
db=utzing) [30 August 2002].
WALTER FITZOTHER, of Windsor, a Domesday tenant of lands in Berks, Buck
s, Middlesex, Hants and Surrey, held a barony owing 15 or 20 knights' fe
es to the castle guard of Windsor, where he was Keeper of the Great Fore
st and castellan of the castle. He m. Beatrice. He was living in or aft
er 1100. [CP 10:10]
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Sanders writes in his English Baronies in 1960 referring to Domesda
y, i, p. 130:
"Walter and his heirs were keepers of the forest of Windsor and constabl
es of Windsor castle. There is no evidence to identify the caput of the ba
rony but it is possible that it was at Eton which Walter held. Furthermor
e, as Walter was castellan of Windsor he would naturally have his priva
te dwelling near." He further writes that "Walter was living temp Faratiu
s, abbot of Abington 1100-16. A royal writ was sent to William fitz Walt
er not later than 1116. (Chron. Mon. de Abingdon, ii, pp. 94, 132)."
Tom Magness writes:
Walter fitz Other was the first recorded castellan of Windsor Castle. He w
as also the keeper of the royal forest of Windsor
Walter did not marry Gladys, daughter of Rywallon ap Conwyn, Prince of Nor
th Wales as asserted by Berry in his Surrey Pedigrees.  Walter married Bea
trice (see Round's Origins of Carew).
At the time of the Survey in 1086, Walter held a compact group of mano
rs as tenant-in-chief in the counties of Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Hamps
hire, Co Middlesex, and Surrey.   He also held Winchfield in Hampshire fr
om Chertsey Abbey and a royal manor and some woodlands at Windsor.
Living in 1100, he died before 1116, have had the following children:
1. William, the eldest son, from whom the Lords Windsor and Earls of P
lymouth descend.
2. Robert, lord of Little Easton, Co Essex (not Bucks as Sir Thomas Ph
illipps says), a barony of 10 knights fees.  He supposedly married the dau
ghter of Walter the Deacon who held Estaines at the time of the Survey.
He was succeeded by his only son, William fitz Robert, who receiv
ed confirmation of his land from Henry II.
3.  Maurice, dapifer of St. Edmund's.  Under Henry I, he held lan
ds in Bedfordshire, Berkshire, Dorsetshire, Co Essex, Co Middlesex, Northa
mptonshire, Norfolk, and Suffolk in 1130.  Confirmed in his land and offi
ce by Stephen, he died after 1136 and was succeeded by his nephew Ral
ph de Hastings as his heir in land and office.
4.  Reginald, dapifer to Queen Adeliza (widow of Henry I), living in 1
136.
5.  Gerald, dapifer (stewart) of Pembroke Castle.  He was castell
an of Pembroke Castle for
Arnulf de Montgomery and later Henry I from whom he received Moulsfo
rd in Berkshire.
NOT Hugh, lord of West Horsley, co. Surrey, (Berry's Surrey Pedigrees). Hu
gh was the son of William fitz Walter, grandson of Walter fitz Other.
also
Other was NOT Constable of Windsor as Windsor was a royal forest until 10
66 when William I. started construction of Windsor Castle. Walter is the r
ecorded keeper of Windsor forest, not Other. Other was temp. Edward Confes
sor which would be circa 1044 AD.
Did not know about the Mona Lisa. Will start looking for something on tha
t, too. Will let you know if I find anything at all. Please do likewise. D
oubt very much that there is anything to it, though, as the Geraldines a
re a cadet line of the Windsors and the family name, if you can call it th
at, came after Gerald of Windsor, not before, i.e., Gerald was not a patro
nym otherwise Walter fitz Other's first born would have in all probabili
ty been named Gerald not William. Gerald is not a name found in the "prim
o" descendents of Walter fitz Other, but then again neither is Other. S
o, that point