I Baudouin 
I was born about 0840 in Flanders, Belgium. I's father was III Odoacre-Odoacer. His paternal grandfather was Engleran. He was an only child. He died in 0879 in St. Pierre's Abbey at Gand, Arras. He was buried in St. Pierre's Abbey at Gand, Arras.General Notes
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Chaume (in his Les origines du Duche De Bourgogne I) for a
much earlier
>period (C7-8th) tentatively suggests that two persons with the
name
>'Baldwin' or its variants were connected to a clan with the
leading name
>'Autchar' (variants: Odocar, Otger, Ottaker, Authari ..etc.).
Neither of
>these, from what I can recall, was Baldwin I of Flanders.
[snip]
Could you provide more details? Baldwin I of Flanders is the
earliest
bearer of that name of whom I am aware, and if there were
earlier
individuals who bore that name, I would certainly be interested
in
knowing who they were (for a reason that you can probably
guess).
Chaume Bourgogne I:22 n.3., 118 n.1.
In the first case a Balduinus (Bodilo) was a son of St
Sadlaberga (mid to
latter C7th). See also pp.528-31 where Sadlaberga is shown as a
member of
the Autcharing goup. The discussion in which this reference
comes up is on
the family of St Ledger (Leudegarius) d.677.
The second reference is a bit more nebulous. The relevant part
of the note
draws attention to the rarity of the name 'Rocco'/'Rocho' and
its two
connections (a hundred year apart) with the name 'Autchar'. A
legend of
revenge blood-letting has a little Balduin son of Autchar being
done to
death (whether by Rocho or someone else I can't recall).
I don't think there is very much in all this vis a vis
connecting
'Balduinus' to the Burgundian Autcharing group (Chaume p.528).
Chaume
doesn't seem to press the matter. However any connection to the
Burgundian
Agilolfinger would be interesting (Werner has a discussion on
this group in
Reuter (ed) The Medieval Nobility pp.164 ff). Maybe Settipani
will have
something to say on all this in the second part of La
prehistoire.. when
he deals in more detail with the Merovingian and Carolingian
nobility.
In addition to taf's info. & comment in an earlier response to
mine I notice
that Turton p.19 (relying on Latrie) makes Baldwin I a son of a
count
Odoacre (of Harlebec) son of a count Engelram (of the same) son
of a count
Lyderic (of the same). I am quite unfamiliar with an arguments
supporting
this filiation chain or the accompanying comital attributions.
The identity of Baldwin's father as one "Odoacer" is supported
only by two
notices in a minor set of Flemish annals (the _Annales
Blandinienses_, MGH
SS 5:20-34) of eleventh-century confection; nothing further is
known of
this person (nor of his wife). His attribution as a count of
Herlebec
comes only from the twelfth-century genealogical MS of
St.-Bertin (MGH SS
9:305), which also adds his father Ingelrannus and
grandfather Lidric,
"count of Herlebec" (also attested only in the _Annales
Blandinienses_).
These individuals are only attested in these relatively late
sources--the
eleventh-century annals and the twelfth-century genealogy. In
neither,
however, does the death date you assign for Odoacer appear.
Most modern genealogists agree that, without any corroboration,
these two
eleventh- and twelfth-century notices of them cannot be taken
as proof of
their existence or their relation to count Balduin. Cf. ES
2:5, etc.,
where the line starts with Baldwin.[Direct Linage1.FTW]
[JamesLinage.GED]
[csmithd.ged]
Chaume (in his Les origines du Duche De Bourgogne I) for a
much earlier
>period (C7-8th) tentatively suggests that two persons with the
name
>'Baldwin' or its variants were connected to a clan with the
leading name
>'Autchar' (variants: Odocar, Otger, Ottaker, Authari ..etc.).
Neither of
>these, from what I can recall, was Baldwin I of Flanders.
[snip]
Could you provide more details? Baldwin I of Flanders is the
earliest
bearer of that name of whom I am aware, and if there were
earlier
individuals who bore that name, I would certainly be interested
in
knowing who they were (for a reason that you can probably
guess).
Chaume Bourgogne I:22 n.3., 118 n.1.
In the first case a Balduinus (Bodilo) was a son of St
Sadlaberga (mid to
latter C7th). See also pp.528-31 where Sadlaberga is shown as a
member of
the Autcharing goup. The discussion in which this reference
comes up is on
the family of St Ledger (Leudegarius) d.677.
The second reference is a bit more nebulous. The relevant part
of the note
draws attention to the rarity of the name 'Rocco'/'Rocho' and
its two
connections (a hundred year apart) with the name 'Autchar'. A
legend of
revenge blood-letting has a little Balduin son of Autchar being
done to
death (whether by Rocho or someone else I can't recall).
I don't think there is very much in all this vis a vis
connecting
'Balduinus' to the Burgundian Autcharing group (Chaume p.528).
Chaume
doesn't seem to press the matter. However any connection to the
Burgundian
Agilolfinger would be interesting (Werner has a discussion on
this group in
Reuter (ed) The Medieval Nobility pp.164 ff). Maybe Settipani
will have
something to say on all this in the second part of La
prehistoire.. when
he deals in more detail with the Merovingian and Carolingian
nobility.
In addition to taf's info. & comment in an earlier response to
mine I notice
that Turton p.19 (relying on Latrie) makes Baldwin I a son of a
count
Odoacre (of Harlebec) son of a count Engelram (of the same) son
of a count
Lyderic (of the same). I am quite unfamiliar with an arguments
supporting
this filiation chain or the accompanying comital attributions.
The identity of Baldwin's father as one "Odoacer" is supported
only by two
notices in a minor set of Flemish annals (the _Annales
Blandinienses_, MGH
SS 5:20-34) of eleventh-century confection; nothing further is
known of
this person (nor of his wife). His attribution as a count of
Herlebec
comes only from the twelfth-century genealogical MS of
St.-Bertin (MGH SS
9:305), which also adds his father Ingelrannus and
grandfather Lidric,
"count of Herlebec" (also attested only in the _Annales
Blandinienses_).
These individuals are only attested in these relatively late
sources--the
eleventh-century annals and the twelfth-century genealogy. In
neither,
however, does the death date you assign for Odoacer appear.
Most modern genealogists agree that, without any corroboration,
these two
eleventh- and twelfth-century notices of them cannot be taken
as proof of
their existence or their relation to count Balduin. Cf. ES
2:5, etc.,
where the line starts with Baldwin.
I and Judith were married in a religious ceremony in 0862 in Flanders, Belgium. They had two sons and a daughter, named II, Raoul and Winhilda of.
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