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REFN : ems
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Margaret [wife of John Tempest & mother o f John Tempe st wh o marrie d
K atherine Sherburne], daughter of 1st Lord (Ba ron ) Holand. [B urke's
Pee rage]
Ancestral Roots is specific ab out the Marg a re t who marrie d John
Bla ckburn & Adam de Banastr e (she is defini tely da ug h t er of Robe
rt &
Elizabe th Samlesb ury), but the r ef erence b y Burke' s Peerag e about
the
Marg ar et who married John Tempe st is a little less cl ear .  The
Margaret
who mar r ied John l a War re was daugh ter of Robert 1s t Lord Ho land (a
t
least An ces tra l Roots calls h im that), but she was born about 1308 ,
married "by 1326" to J ohn la Warre, d aughter o f a marri ag e which,
accordi ng to Ancestral R o ots, to ok place "by 1309/ 10 ".  Even at
1308,
it
would b e p ushing it fo r he r to hav e a son John who h ad a son Ric
hard
born c1334. She a nd he r s on wo uld both h ad to have child ren a t age
13
;
and you wo u ld have to exp lain why she divorce d John Tempes t (who live
d
u ntil 1359) an d married J o hn la Warr e by 1326 at a ge 18. T herefore
the
only Margaret wh o would r eason ably fit th e descriptio n,ev en though
she
was not daughter, b ut siste r of 1 st Lord Holand, would se e m t o be
this
one (who ma rrie d Joh n Bla ckburn & Adam de B anastre, andthe n J o hn
Tempest).
I original ly ha d J ohn and Margaret a g ene ration later , bein g parent
s
of
Richard Tempes t wh o m arried Maria Talbot. The n everyt hing se emed to
work well.  Margaret wa s d a ughter o f Robert 1st Lo r d Hol and & Mau d
la
Zouche; Margaret marrie d (1) J ohn la Warre who died 1331; af terhis
dea th sh e marr ied (2) John Tempes t a n d had Richard born c1334.  N ot
onl
y are all da tes given in that scen ario b acked up by sources , but i t i
s
su pported by olde r publications su c h as Burk e' s Commoners of Gr eat
B ritta i n & Burke's Extinct Peerages, e xce pt so metime s Margaret is
named
Mary ; s ee n otes under so n Joh n Temp est. I ha d as paren ts of John
and
Margaret , Joh n a nd Kather ine Sherbu r ne ( ie. the wives of the two
generat
ions of John Tempest s were reversed fr o m w hat Bur ke's Peera g e has).
I
am still in clined to thin k tha t I may have b ee n r ight in the fi r st
place
and t hat B urke's Peerage is wro n g .[geddown.ged]
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