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Note : I have gone w ith the "two Ro berts theory" p u t forth b y Ch ris
Phi llips be low, this being t he elder Robert .
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C u rt Hofemann, cu rt_hofemann@@ya ho o.com, in a post- em, state s:
Paget's Baro nag e makes Robert (d. by c.1249 ) th e son and he ir of
Richa rd, 3rd son of Man asser , 2nd son of Manasser ( li ving 1156). (I
sus pec ted t hat there might b e two Ro berts i n s uccession instead. )
[Ref:
C hris Phil l ips, message to soc .genealog y.medie val, 19 Jun 2002]
Pa get say s that th e y o unger Robert 's fa ther was a sec on d cous in
of
the elder Robert, but pe rhap s t his is slightl y wrong The com mon
an cestor is said t o be Manasser Ag uill o n, livi ng 1156, wh o had a so
n
and
he ir William Wil liam ha d a grands on Wi lliam ( I didn't not e the
interve nin g gener ation) , who died shortly b efore 3 Oct 1244, when his
son Ro bert d id ho mage and h ad livery [c iting Ro t. Fi n. 2 8 Hen ry I
II,
m. 2]. This Robe rt w as the younger of the Robe rts say s Pag et.
Goin g back to Manasser, Page t says he had a second so n Man asse r,
li ving 1172, and that the younger Man asser ha d a third son Richard, wh
o
mar rie d Ela de Frivil l or Fr evil le,by whom h e h ad a son Robert.
Richar d
an d R obert appea r as wi tnes ses in120 1 [ci ting C al. Docs. France i
no
14 0 3] . Paget says that this so n Robert w as the elder one
Paget gives further d etai ls of the "elder" Robert' s career , from 1203
to
1 227, and says he m arri ed Agatha, dau and co heir of Fulk Be aufoy
[ci ting
Blom efield's Histor y of No rfol k], and says he had 4 dau gh ters by her
(repeating some of t he e rrors a b out the daughters). He adds th at
Robert
marrie d secon dly Alice , widow o f J ohn de Wahull (d.1217 ) [c itin g
Bracton' s Notebook, no 1 182] an d daught er of William de M unchens i ,
and
that Robert w as still living 1232 .
Having said tha t, we know that t h e mother of th e "elde r " Robert' s 4
d aughters w as not in f act Agatha de Be aufo, bu t Marger y, da ughter
of
Wil liam de Fres ney. Also that at l eas t two of these daughters gave
bir th
to thei r he irs aro un d 1240. And that C .J. Phil lips in his History of
t
he
Sackvi lle Fam ily makes Agatha de B e aufo the m other of Robert, no t h
is
wife.
So could it be that there are tw oRoberts he re - the fir st who was
ac tive by 1203 and m a rried Agat ha de Be auf o, an d t he second who
m arried
Mar g ery de Fresney and di ed aroun d 12 49 leav ing 4 daughters and a
widow
Alice " d e Merley/Mar ley"? P e rhaps thi sAlice is the same one menti
oned
above, i n a n y case. [Re