Alianore De Curceles 
Alianore De was born about 1205 in Artington, Guildford, Surrey, England. Alianore De's father was Wandril II De Curceles and her mother was Clemence De Turnham. Her maternal grandparents were Stephen De Turnham and Edeline De Broc. She was an only child. She died before 1238.General Notes
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The 1 st wif e of the last named Ral ph FitzBernard w a s Alian o re, dau
ghter
and cohei r of Stephen de Turnham, of Artington , Sur re y, t he King's
M arshal, by Edelin e, daughter and cohe ir of Randolf de Bro c, t h e
King's
Ushe r and Marshal, son o f Oyne Porce l. [ Complete Peerage V:400 no te
(b)]
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Note: It has be en a mystery to me th at S tephen h as a daught er Eleanor
who m . Roger de Leybo u rne, who was obvio us ly a d iffer ent perso n
than
this Aliano re. I could no t understan d why S tephen had two d aughters
nam ed Eleanor & Al ianore (w hic h ar e the same n ame ).
It turns out t hat, a cc ording to evid ence presen ted t o SGM , 20 Feb
2003,
by Rosie Bevan, Al ianor e is not a da ughter , but a grand daughte r o f
Stephen & Edeline:
From: " Ros ie Bevan" ( rbevan@@parad is e.net.nz )
Subje c t: Fw: Turn ham
Newsgroups: soc. ge ne alo gy.medieval
Date: 2003-02- 20 18: 50:17 PST
I thi nk the two puzzles I ment i oned in my last po st a re no w so lved.
The
Elean or married toRalph Fitz B ern ard was act ually grand da ughte r of
Edelina , an d daughter of Cle mence an d Wa n dril de Corc ell.
DD 4 26 sub de Curcellis, Wa ndregesil,expla ins part of it b u t does not
mention t hat Clemence de Broc w as his wife.
" Wan dregesil II d e Cu rcellis held a t h ird part of a fee a t Fro me i
n
1212
(F ees, 81), which passed to h is daughte r an d heiress Eleanor, wi fe of
Ralp h fitzBernard by 1219 (Fes s , 262).
1 . Steph en de Turnham=Edelina de Broc
2 .Mabel=Thomas de Bave lingham
2.Alice =Ad am de B endeges
2.Beatrice =Ralp h d e Fay
2.Clemence=Wandri l de Curc el es
3 .Eleanor=R alph fitzBernard
2.E lean or=Roger de Leyburn
3.Ro ger de Ley bu rn
Both Clemen ce and Eleanor wer e dea d i n 1220.
Cheers
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Ancestor Pedigree Chart
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- b.~ 1180 in Frome, Somerset, England d.< 1219
- b.~ 1205 in Artington, Guildford, Surrey, England d.< 1238
- b.~ 1115 in Turnham, Kent, England d.Deceased
- b.~ 1140 in Turnham, Kent, England d.1214 in Mulgrave Castle, Sandsend Whitby, Yorkshire, England
- d.Deceased
- b.~ 1165 in Turnham, Kent, England d.Deceased in Artington, Guildford, Surrey, England
- b.~ 1183 in Peper Harow, Hambledon, Surrey, England d.< 1220
- b.~ 1110 d.Deceased
- b.~ 1140 in Angmering, East Preston, Sussex, England d.1179
- b.~ 1170 in Angmering, East Preston, Sussex, England d.Deceased
- b.~ 1115 in Great Berwick Near Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England d.Deceased
- b.~ 1145 in Great Berwick Near Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England d.Deceased
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Alianore De and Ralph were married in a religious ceremony in 1st Wife. They had a son named John.
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Children
John Fitzbernard
John was born about 1222 in Kingsdown, Kent, England. He died before October 30th, 1259.
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