TITL Garner, Lorraine Ann "Lori" PUBL P.O. Box 577, Bayview, ID 83803 Her sources included, but may not be limited to: Burke's Landed Gentry, Burke's Dormant & Ext inct Peerage, Burke's Peerage of American Presidents, Debrett's Peerage, Oxford histories & " numerous other reference works" very good to excellent, although she has a tendency to follow Burke's Hardcopy notes o f Lori Garner Elmore. MEDI Letter TEXT John Marshal TITL Mann Database AUTH Ed Mann Contributor on soc.genealogy.medieval edmann@@commnections.com MEDI Electronic TEXT John FitzGilbert, no parents TITL Ahnentafel for Margery Arundell AUTH Marlyn Lewis PUBL 08 Oct 1997 MEDI Manuscript TEXT s of Gilbert FitzRichard de Clare & Adeliza de Clermont TEXT b abt 1106 TITL Some Early English Pedigrees AUTH Vernon M. Norr MEDI Book PAGE p 40 TEXT s of Gilbert FitzRichard de Clare & Adeliza de Clermont ALIA John /FitzGilbert/ The Marshal TEXT b abt 1106 _FA1 PLAC Acceded: Bef 1130.