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Family Subtree Diagram : Descendents of Maud de Mortimer (1134)

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Sir Reginald (or Reynold) fitz Peter, Knight, lord of BlaenLlyfni, co. Brecknock, sheriff of Hampshire and Constable ofWinchester Castle 1261, d. 4 or 5 May 1285, heir of elderbrother Herbert and son of Peter fitz Herbert, lord of BlaenLlyfni, co. Brecknock, by his first wife, Alice Fitz Roger ofWarkworth. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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Reginald FitzPeter, Lord of Blenlevenny, with his members de laMere and Talgarth. This feudal chief, who appears to have been aperson of great rank in the time of Henry III, was especiallysummoned in the 41st of that monarch to aid Humphrey de Bohun,Earl of Hereford, in defence of the Marches, and in the nextyear had another summons to march against Llewellin. He m. Joande Vivonia, dau. and coheir of William de Vivonia, surnamed 'deFortibus,' from his valour in the field, Lord of Chewton in thecounty of Somerset, by Matilda de Kyme, dau. and coheir ofWilliam, Earl of Ferrers (by his first wife). With this ladyReginald acquired the Manor of Chuyton or Chewton, which herecevied the day of his marriage. They had issue, JohnFitz-Reginald, Reginald Fitz-Reginald, and Peter Fitz-Reginald.[John Burke, History of the Commoners of Great Britain andIreland, Vol. IV, R. Bentley, London, 1834, p. 729, Jones, ofLlanarth]

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Reginald Fitz-Herbert. This feudal lord had summons to marchagainst the Welsh in the 42nd Henry III [1258], and in two yearsafterwards received orders, as one of the barons marchers, toreside in those parts. In the 45th of the same reign [1261], hewas made sheriff of Hampshire, and governor of the Castle ofWinchester; and in the 48th [1264], he was one of those baronswho undertook for the king's performance of what the king ofFrance should determine regarding the ordinances of Oxford. Hem. Joane, dau. of William de Fortibus, Lord of Chewton, co.Somerset, and dying in 1285, was s. by his son, JohnFitz-Reginald. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited,and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p.206, Fitz-Herbert, Baron Fitz-Herbert] 1225 - 1259 William 'Fort' de Vivonne 34 34 William de Vivonne, by Maud, one of the 7 daughters (coheirs totheir mother) of William (Ferrers), Earl of Derby. [CompletePeerage]

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William de Fortibus (also styled le Fort), son and heir, d.shortly bef. 22 May 1259, lord of Chewton, Somerset, m. c 30July 1248 Maud (or Matilda) de Ferrers, b. c 1230, d. 12 Mar1298/9, widow of Simon IV de Kyme, d. 1248, lord of Sotby, co.Lincoln, and daughter of William de Ferrers, Earl of Derby byhis wife Sibyl Marshal. Maud m. (3) by 4 Feb 1267 Sir Emery (orAlmery), Vicomte de Rochechouart in Poitou, living Apr 1284.[Magna Charta Sureties]
 1195 - 1249 Hugh de Vivonia 54 54 Jim Weber doesn’t link to parents. 1195 Mabel de Vivonia Mabel Malet; m. Hugh de Vivonia, d. by 1249, Seneschal ofGascony 1221-1232. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Mabel Malet; m. (2) Hugh de Vivonia (de Forz), lord of Chewton,Somerset. [Magna Charta Sureties] 1228 - 1299 Maud (Matilda) de Rochechouart 71 71 1274 - 1336 John de Beauchamp 61 61 John Beauchamp, of Hatch aforesaid, son and heir, was b. 25 July1274, and had seizin of his father's lands, 17 Sep 1295. He wasin the Scottish wars and was summoned, 26 Jan 1296/7, to attendthe King at Salisbury. He was summoned to Parliament 29 Dec 1299to 24 Aug 1336, by writs directed 'Johanni de Bello Campo deSomerset,' whereby he may be held to have become Lord Beachamp.He was knighted with the Prince of Wales, 22 May 1306. In 1321he succeeded to the extensive estates of his mother, whichincluded Sturminster Marshal, Dorset, Bullingham, co. Cambridge,etc. Governor of Bridgewater Castle 1325. He m. in or before1301, Joan, said to have been daughter of ? Chenduit. She d. 9Feb 1327. He d. 1336, after 20 Oct, aged 62. [Complete Peerage]

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John de Beauchamp, who was summoned to parliament as a baron bythe style of 'Iord de Bello Campo (de Somerset),' on 29December, 1229, 28th of Edward I, and in the 34th of the samereign [1306] was one of the distinguished persons who receivedthe honour of knighthood with Price Edward, the king's eldestson, being in the expedition made into Scotland in that year. Inthe 8th of Edward II [1315], his lordship was again in theScottish wars; and in the 14th of the same king he succeeded tothe very extensive landed possessions of his mother, comprisingthe manor of Sturminster-Marshal, in the co. Dorset, a moiety ofthe manor of West Kington, in the co. Wilts, of the whole manorof Wadmersh, in the co. Surrey, of the manor of Bullingham, inthe co. Cambridge, also the hamlets of Watweton and Widecombe.In the two years afterwards Lord Beauchamp was made governor ofthe castle of Bridgewater. In the 7th of Edward III (1333-4), heobtained license to fortify his manor houses at Hacche, Estokes,and South Hainedon, and to embattle their walls. His lordshipd.. in 1336, up to which period he had regular summonses, andwas s. by his son, John de Beauchamp, 2nd Lord Beauchamp, ofHacche. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages,Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 33, Beauchamp, BaronsBeauchamp, of Hache, in the co. Somerset] 1249 - 1283 John Beauchamp 34 34 John Beauchamp, son and heir of Robert Beauchamp, of HatchSomerset (a), by Alice, daughter of Reynold de Mohun, ofDunster, in that co., was b. bef 1249. He was summoned to attendthe King at Shrewsbury 28 June 1281 (b) by writ directed'Johanns de Bello Campo.' He m. Cicely, daughter and coheir ofWilliam de Vivonne, by Maud, one of the 7 daughters (coheirs totheir mother) of William (Ferrers), Earl of Derby. He d. atHatch, 24 and was buried 31 Oct 1283, at Stoke under Hamden.Inq.p.m. Dec 1283. His widow d. 10 Jan 1320 at Stoke underHamden. [Complete Peerage]

(a) The arms of this family, 'Vaire, arg, and az', are entirelydifferent from those of the great house of Beauchamp of Warwick,and no connection is shown between the two families.

(b) This writ was treated as originating a peerage in theMowbray case 1877.

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John de Beauchamp, who in the 5th of Edward I (1276-7), was madegovernor of the castles of Kaermerdin and Cardigan. He m.Cicely, dau. and heiress of Maude de Kyme, dau. of WilliamFerrers, Earl of Derby, by her second husband, William deVivonia, which William was son of Hugh de Vivonia, by Mabel, oneof the co-heirs of William Mallet, a great baron, who d. temp.Henry III. This John de Beauchamp, who d. 1283, was s. by hisson, John de Beauchamp. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant and ExtinctPeerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 33, Beauchamp,Barons Beauchamp, of Hache, in the co. Somerset]
 1253 - 1320 Cicely Beauchamp 67 67 1175 Unknown First Wife 1278 - 1311 Nicholas IV Poyntz 33 33 held manors of Curry Malet, Somerset; Tockington,Gloucestershire; Hoo, & Lullingstone, Kent; Dullingham,Cambridgeshire; Sutton, & Stoke St Edwald, Dorsetshire.

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Sir Nicholas Poyntz, Knight, 2nd Lord Poyntz, b. c 1278, d. bef.12 July 1311, MP 1308-1311; m. (1) as a boy, bef. 20 Jan 1287/8,Elizabeth, daughter of Eudo la Zouche, of Harringworth andMilicent Cantelou, d. aft. 1297; m. (2) bef 9 Feb 1308/9 Maud,daughter of John de Acton. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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BARONY OF POYNTZ (II) 1308

NICHOLAS (DE POYNTZ) LORD POYNTZ. son and heir, said to be aged30 and more in 1308, had order for seisin 11 February 1307/8. Hewas on the commission of the peace in 1307 and December 1308,when he was a knight. He was summoned for service against theScots yearly 1308-11. He was summoned to Parliament from 4 March1309 to 16 June 1311. Early in 1310/1 he was preparing to goabroad on pilgrimage, and in May 1311 was one of the fourappointed to select foot-soldiers for Scotland in Somerset andDorset, and one of two to lead the levies at Roxburgh.

He married, 1stly, as a boy, before 20 January 1287/8,Elizabeth, daughter of Eon LA ZOUCHE, of Harringworth,Northants, by Milicent (married 1stly, John DE MOHAUT), youngersister and coheir of Sir George DE CAUNTELO, Lord of Abergavenny(died 1273) and daughter of Sir William de CAUNTELO of Calne,Wilts, by Eve, 3rd daughter and coheir of William DE BRIOUZE ofAbergavenny, by Eve, sister and coheir of Anselm (MARSHAL), EARLOF PEMBROKE. Elizabeth appears to have been living in 1297. Hemarried, 2ndly, before 9 February 1308/9, Maud, daughter of JohnDE ACTON (died 1312), and sister and, in her issue, heir of SirJohn DE ACTON (died circa October 1361). Nicholas died shortlybefore 12 July 1311. His widow had order for dower, 2 September1311, and married, before 12 April 1315, as his 2nd wife, RogerDE CHAUNDOS, 1st Lord Chaundos. She died 15 August 1361.[Complete Peerage X:674-5, XIV:536, (transcribed by DaveUtzinger)] 1252 - 1307 Hugh Poyntz 54 54 held manors of Curry Malet, Somerset; Tockington,Gloucestershire; Hoo, St Werbergh, & Lullingstone, Kent;Dullingham, Cambridgeshire; Sutton, Dorsetshire.

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Hugh Poyntz, Knight, b. 25 Aug 1252, fought in Wales 1277-1294,1st Lord Poyntz 1295, d. bef. 4 Jan 1307/8; lord of Curry Malet,as were his father and grandfather. His wife may have been aPaveley--probably not. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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BARONY OF POYNTZ (I) 1295

HUGH POINTZ, son and heir, born 25 August 1252, was a knightbefore 1 May 1273. Having done homage, he had order for seisin 3March 1273/4. He was summoned for service in Wales, 1277, 1282,1283, 1287, and 1294. Among tenants of lands worth œ20 and moreyearly, he was summoned for foreign service in 1297; and, fromthat year till 1306, summoned regularly for service against theScots. He was summoned to the Assembly at Shrewsbury, 1283; andto Parliament from 24 June 1295 to 26 August 1307, by writsdirected Hugoni Poynz, whereby he is held to have become LORDPOYNTZ. In 1298 he was member of a commission to inquire intoorganised felonies in Somerset, Dorset and Devon. He married(----), and died shortly before 4 January 1307/8. [CompletePeerage X:673-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Note: Both AR & MCS suggest a wife for Hugh. See notes under hispotential wife Margaret de Paveley.
 1220 - 1273 Nicholas III Poyntz 53 53 Sir Nicholas Poyntz, b. c 1220, d. bef. 7 Oct 1273; m.Elizabeth, probably daughter of Timothy Dyall, Esq. [MagnaCharta Sureties]

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SIR NICHOLAS POYNTZ, grandson and heir of Nicholas (died 1223?),being son and heir of Hugh, was born about 1220. In 1258 and1260 he was summoned for service in Wales; in March 1260 wasamong the tenants summoned to London cum servicio regis, tooverawe the Barons' Council; summoned again to London in October1261, cum posse (suo) tam de servicio (suo) quam de subvencioneamicorum suorum; in 1263 again summoned for service in Wales,and to attend a preparatory Council at Oxford in 1264. Heappears to have remained loyal during the Barons' war. Hemarried [----]. He died shortly before 7 October 1273. [CompletePeerage X:673, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
 1192 - 1220 Hugh Poyntz 28 28 Sir Hugh Poyntz, d. 4 Apr 1220, son of Nicholas Poyntz, d. bef.2 Nov 1223, and Julian, daughter of Hugh Bardolf; with hisfather Hugh Poyntz joined the Barons in their struggle againstKing John, and was captured at Worcester, 17 July 1216, andimprisoned. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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HUGH [Poyntz], son and heir apparent by 1st wife, served for hisfather in Ireland in 1210, and in 1214 with the King in Poitou.With his father he joined the Barons against King John, and hislands were confiscated. He was captured, 17 July 1216, atWorcester, and imprisoned in Bristol Castle until August; inFebruary 1216/7 he pledged himself to serve the new King, andhad an order for return of his lands.

He married, before 23 March 1216/7, Hawise, elder daughter andcoheir of William MALET (died 1215), of Curry Malet, Somerset,by Alice, daughter and coheir of Thomas BASSET, of Headington,Oxon (died 1220). Hugh died v.p., shortly before 4 April 1220.His widow married, before 11 February 1220/1, Robert DEMUCEGROS, and was living 4 May 1287. Robert died shortly before26 February 1253/4. [Complete Peerage X:672, (transcribed byDave Utzinger)]
 1224 Elizabeth Dyall 1257 Margaret Poyntz His [Hugh Poyntz's] wife may have been a Paveley--probably not.[Magna Charta Sureties]

Maclean, 'Bristol and Glouc. Arch. Soc. Trans. XII 129, suggestswife of Sir Hugh was Margaret, daughter of Sir William Paveley.[Ancestral Roots]

Note: I believe that the above two references are confused withthe Margaret Paveley who married Hugh's grandson, the 3rd BaronPoyntz. She was originally (CP X:674 note (b)) supposed to be adaughter of William Paveley, but turned out (CP XIV:536) to bedaughter of Walter Pavole (Paveley). But I will follow thesuggestion of the above two sources and put her as daughterWilliam of Brooke (in Westbury) who was son of Walter ofWestbury. According to CP, both Brooke and Westbury are knownPaveley manors.
 1284 - 1341 Eleanor de Beauchamp 57 57 1287 - 1343 Robert de Lisle 55 55 BARONY OF LISLE of Rougemont (I)

ROBERT DE LISLE, son and heir, of Campton, Beds, was born there20 January 1287/8, and baptized the following day in the churchof All Saints. He was a minor at his father's death in 1296. Heproved his age at Bedford, 21 March 1309/10, and the King havingtaken his homage on 26 March, he had livery of his father'slands. livery of various other manors, including Harewood, whichhad been the inheritance of Isabel de Forz, Countess of Aumale,was granted to him 18 July 1310, the King having taken homagefor them. These were the manors claimed by Warin his father onthe death of Isabel. He was summoned for military serviceagainst the Scots from August 1310 to 1342, to a Council 25February 1341/2, and to Parliament from 19 December 1311 to 3March 1339/40, by writs directed Roberto de Insula or Robertodel Isle, whereby he is held to have become LORD LISLE. In 1312he had a grant of a yearly fair at Shefford. In 1313, with therest of the court, he attended the King and Queen to theWhitsunday festivities in Paris; and in later years he hadprotection when going beyond seas on the King's service. He wassummoned for the Bannockburn campaign in 1314, and was directedin August 1315 to continue in the North for the winter campaign,being in the King's service in 1316 and in 1317. In November1321 he was ordered not to attend a meeting, of the 'Good Peers'summoned by Thomas, Earl of Lancaster, and in February followingwas ordered to bring his men to aid the King. He fought atBoroughbridge, 16 March 1321/2, for the King. Shortly afterwardshe had a protection in his manors of Harewood, &c. In 1323, hereceived a grant of the wardship and marriage of Edmund, son andheir of Robert Peverel. In 1324, in the return of knights to besummoned from each shire to Parliament, to confer, he wasreturned as holding lands in Berks, co Cambridge, Herts, Suffolkand Yorks and in Beds also, but he did not reside there. In thesame year he was summoned for service in Gascony on anexpedition which did not start, and also to a Council ofmagnates to advise as to Gascony. In May 1327 he and Margarethis wife obtained Papal indults for portable altars. In 1328 hewent on pilgrimage to Santiago. In 1332 and later he was on thecommission of the peace, &c., in co. Cambridge. On 22 December1336 the King, pitying his enfeebled state, directed that heshould not in future be compelled against his will to come tothe King in his wars or to his parliaments and councils, norappointed minister or officer; but he was several timesnominated on commissions in co. Cambridge down to 15 March1340/1, when he was one of the collectors of the ninth. Ninedays after, however, he appears to have been relievedaltogether, although he received, as mentioned above, a summonsto a Council in February 1341/2.

He apparently married, before 3 May 1318, Margaret, daughter ofWalter DE BEAUCHAMP, of Alcester, co. Warwick, Steward of theKing's household (died 1303). She died in the summer of 1339,when Robert was about to cross the seas on the King's service.After her death he entered the Franciscan Order, to which he hadbeen a benefactor. On 23 March 1341/2 his lands were taken intothe King's hand, he being professed in a religious order. Heappears to have been ordained priest. He died 4 January 1343/4,and was buried in the choir of the Franciscan church in London,in the chapel of All Saints. [Complete Peerage VIII:71-3,(transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

Note: The current ruins of Harewood Castle, which is near thetown of Harewood (north of Leeds, Yorks), was built about 1365.The originial Harewood Castle, also called Rougemont, was nearthe town of Weeton (also just north of Leeds, Yorks). 1263 - 1296 Warin de Lisle 33 33 WARIN DE LISLE, son and heir by 1st wife, was ordered on 1January 1284/5 to pay 100 marks owing of his father's debt tothe Crown by yearly instalments of 20 marks. On the deaths.p.s., 10 November 1293, of Isabel de Forz, Countess of Aumale,sister and heir of Baldwin (de Reviers), Earl of Devon, he wasfound to be one of her heirs. In 1294 he was going to Gascony asyeoman of Thomas Latimer of Warden, but took care to make hisclaim to Isabel's inheritance.

He married Alice, daughter of Sir Piers DE MONTFORT, ofBeaudesert, co. Warwick, by Maud, daughter and heir of Mathew dela Mare. He died shortly before 7 Dec 1296. His widow had dowerassigned to her 18 February 1296/7. She married (grant of hermarriage 10 May 1308), as 3rd wife, Robert (FITZWALTER), LORDFITZWALTER. In 1315 she was going on pilgrimage to Santiago, andin 1317 she went abroad with her husband. He died 18 January1325/6. [Complete Peerage VIII:71, XIV:443, (transcribed by DaveUtzinger)]
 1243 - 1284 Robert de Lisle 41 41 ROBERT DE LISLE, son and heir, in 1264 obtained a charter offree warren in his demesne lands of Rampton and Wilbraham, co.Cambridge, and Nedging, Suffolk. As Sir Robert de Insula heattested a Cambridgeshire charter about the same time. He wassummoned for the campaign against Llewelyn in 1282.

He married, 1stly, before 1252, Mabel, widow of Hervey, baron ofStafford (died 1241), and daughter of Sir Robert DE MUSCEGROS,of Charlton, by Hawise, daughter and coheir of Sir WilliamMALET, of Curry Malet. Robert de Lisle and Mabel quitclaimed toJohn de Muscegros 10 librates of land in Kemarton, co.Gloucester, which Mabel had in free marriage from her father,and for this and 200 marks John gave her 20 librates of land inFinborough, Suffolk. Robert married, 2ndly, Alice. He died in1284. His widow was living in 1290. [Complete Peerage VIII:70,(transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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Note: I have put Mabel's prior marriage in, but I am not sure ithappened, and I haven't changed any estimated birth dates forMabel to facilitate it happening. The CP entry for Herveydescribes his wife Mabel as daughter of Richard de Mucegros(sic.), who I believe was father of Robert de Muscegros. SinceHervey died in 1241, and Robert de Lisle may well have not beenborn in 1241, it is very unusual for a widow to marry as her 2ndhusband, a man who was not born by the time her 1st husbanddied! So I think that the Mabel who married Hervey de Staffordwas daughter of Richard and aunt of this Mabel who m. Robert deLisle. 1240 - 1284 Mabel de Lisle 44 44 He [Robert de Lisle] married, 1stly, before 1252, Mabel, widowof Hervey, baron of Stafford (died 1241), and daughter of SirRobert DE MUSCEGROS, of Charlton, by Hawise, daughter and coheirof Sir William MALET, of Curry Malet. Robert de Lisle and Mabelquitclaimed to John de Muscegros 10 librates of land inKemarton, co. Gloucester, which Mabel had in free marriage fromher father, and for this and 200 marks John gave her 20 libratesof land in Finborough, Suffolk. Robert married, 2ndly, Alice. Hedied in 1284. His widow was living in 1290. [Complete PeerageVII:70, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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Hervey de Stafford, son and heir. He m. Mabel, daughter ofRichard de Mucegros. He dsp. before 7 Oct 1241, having left awill. Mabel survived him and was living in Apr 1242. [CompletePeerage XII/1:171]

Note: CP Volume XIV:589 corrects the above and tries to makethis entry agree with VIII:70, by mentioning her 2nd marriage toRobert de Lisle, and making Richard's wife to be Hawise Malet.But I am not sure that the Mabel, daughter of Richard deMucegros is the same as Mabel, daughter of Robert De Muscegros(Richard was father of Robert).

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Note: I have put Mabel's prior marriage in, but I am not sure ithappened, and I haven't changed any estimated birth dates forMabel to facilitate it happening. The CP entry for Herveydescribes his wife Mabel as daughter of Richard de Mucegros(sic.), who I believe was father of Robert de Muscegros. SinceHervey died in 1241, and Robert de Lisle may well have not beenborn in 1241, it is very unusual for a widow to marry as her 2ndhusband, a man who was not born by the time her 1st husbanddied! So I think that the Mabel who married Hervey de Staffordwas daughter of Richard and aunt of this Mabel who m. Robert deLisle.
 1268 - 1317 Alice FitzWalter 49 49 He [Warin de Lisle] married Alice, daughter of Sir Piers DEMONTFORT, of Beaudesert, co. Warwick, by Maud, daughter and heirof Mathew de la Mare. He died shortly before 7 Dec 1296. Hiswidow had dower assigned to her 18 February 1296/7. She married(grant of her marriage 10 May 1308), as 3rd wife, Robert(FITZWALTER), LORD FITZWALTER. In 1315 she was going onpilgrimage to Santiago, and in 1317 she went abroad with herhusband. He died 18 January 1325/6. [Complete Peerage VIII:71,XIV:443, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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He [Robert FitzWalter] married, 3rdly (grant of her marriage, 10May 1308), Alice, widow of Sir Warin DE ISLE, of Campton, Beds,Nedging, Suffolk, Rampton, co. Cambridge, &c. (who died shortlybefore 7 December 1296), daughter of Sir Piers de Montfort, ofBeaudsert, co. Warwick. On 1 September 1312 he had licence toconvey the manor of Little Dunmow to himself and Alice, hiswife, and the heirs of their bodies, with remainder to his rightheirs and, 6 October. 1315, licence to convey the manor ofWimbish in the same terms. He died 18 January 1325/6. [CompletePeerage V:472-474, 14:326, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
 1197 Bertha Malet Bertha died without issue, according to Burke's Peerage. Theymay be mistaken, or some have this person as Mabel Malet, whomarried Hugh de Vivonia, and presumably also married EudoBellingham (would have been earlier than Hugh). 1251 - 1314 Joan FitzPiers 63 63 Joan de Vivonia, eldest daughter and coheir, b. c 1251 (aged 8in 1259), d. 1 June 1314, lady of Chewton, Somerset; through herfather, Joan was heir to a 1/8 interest in the barony of CurryMalet, Somerset, and through her mother Joan was heir to apartial interest in the barony of Long Crendon, co. Buckingham;m. (1) c 10 May 1262, Ingram de Percy who dsp shortly bef. 10Oct 162 [sic. 1262?]; m. (2) (as his 2nd wife) Sir Reginald (orReynold) fitz Peter, Knight, lord of Blaen Llyfni, co.Brecknock, sheriff of Hampshire and Constable of WinchesterCastle 1261, d. 4 or 5 May 1285, heir of elder brother Herbertand son of Peter fitz Herbert, lord of Blaen Llyfni, co.Brecknock, by his first wife, Alice Fitz Roger of Warkworth.[Magna Charta Sureties]

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Joan de Vivonia, b. 1251, d. 1 June 1314, widow of Ingram dePercy, daughter & heir of William de Fortibus (also styled leFort) & Maud de Ferrers. Through her father, Joan inherited a1/8th interest in the barony of Curry Malet, Somerset.[Ancestral Roots]
 1276 Alice Beauchamp 1270 Katherine Pichard 1274 - 1322 Peter FitzReginald 48 48 Sir Peter Fitz Reginald (or Fitz Reynold), Knight, eldestsurviving son of mother's 2nd husband to whom his mother gaveChewton 1299, lord of Chewton, Somerset, conservator of array,Surrey and Sussex, 1321, b. ca. 1274 (age 40 in 1314), d. 18 Nov1322; m. Ela Martel, age 7 in 1280, living 1306/7, dead by 1322,elder daughter and coheir of Sir Roger Martel, d. 1280, lord ofHinton Martel and Broadmayne, Dorset, Glen Magna, co. Leicester,and Merston, Sussex, by his wife Joan. (Her sister Joan, thenage 4, m. Reynold fitz Reynold, younger brother of Peter).[Ancestral Roots, line 261-33] 1176 - 1217 William III Malet 41 41 William, of Curry Malet and Shepton Mallet, Somerset; fl.1195-1217; Sheriff of Dorset and Somerset 1211; one of the 25magnates charged with seeing that the Magna Charta was compliedwith; married Alice, daughter and coheir of Thomas Basset, ofHeadington, Oxon, and died c1219. [Burke's Peerage]

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Sir William Malet, Magna Charta Surety 1215, d. c 1216, of CurryMalet, sheriff of Somerset and Devon; m. Alice (or Aliva)Basset, daughter of Thomas Basset, who was named in the MagnaCharta 1215. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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William II Malet, adult by 1196, barony of Curry Malet,Somerset, sheriff of Somerset and Dorset 1209, Magna ChartaSurety 1215, d. c 1216. He was survived by his apparently (2)wife Alice, d. c 1263, daughter and coheir of Thomas Basset, d.1220, lord of Headington, Oxford and Colynton and Whitford, co.Devon, by wife Philippa Malbank. Alice's maritagium, the manorof Deddington, co. Oxford. She m. (2) by 1223 John Bisset (orBiset), d. 1241, by whom 3 daughters: Margaret, Ela & Isabel.According to VCH Oxford V 160, Alice Basset's three Bisset(Biset) children were coheirs of Alice's sister Philippa Basset,but not the Malet children; so they must have been children ofan earlier wife.) [Ancestral Roots, line 234a-28]

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The following was copied from soc.genealogy.medieval, concerningAncestral Roots, line 234a, and the existence of an unknownfirst wife, mother of all of William's children.

Dear Cris, Lee and Dave:

As noted in the earlier post below, I'm the person whocontributed the Malet line (i.e., Line 234A) to Ancestral Rootsby Weis-Sheppard. However, behind the scenes, it was actuallyDr. David Faris who was responsible for the discovery that AliceBasset wasn't the mother of William Malet's three daughters. Hefound that William Malet's daughters weren't heirs to AliceBasset's sister's estates, whereas her three daughters by hersecond Biset marriage were. This can only mean that Alice Bassetwas not the mother of William Malet's daughters. I've sincediscovered that William Malet had a previously unknown son bornmuch earlier than the Basset marriage, which son witnessed hisgrandfather, Gilbert Malet's charter. So, it is quite clear nowthat William Malet must have had an earlier unidentified wifebefore he married Alice Basset.

I don't believe Dr. Faris has ever been properly credited formaking the initial discovery regarding the maternity of theMalet daughters. However, this discovery certainly shows Dr.Faris at his best, as before Line 234A was published, thestandard sources ALL identified Alice Basset as the mother ofthe Malet daughters.

Since the Malet-Basset discovery was published, I've had thepleasure of working closely with Dr. Faris for many years. Inthe course of our work together, we've had the opportunity towork on virtually every major medieval problem in Englishgenealogy. His keen insights and deep knowledge have alwaysadded something special to our discussions. His perpetualattitude has been 'Keep looking!,' for he knows that given time,persistence and a little creativity, the answers we seek can befound. Dr. Faris is a fine individual, a wonderful husband, agood father, and to me, a true friend. He's also in my opinionone of the best genealogists of this generation.

Sincerely, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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William Malet's first wife's identity is still unknown. Whoevershe was, she evidently was the mother of his son, William, andhis three daughters. William Malet had property in variousplaces which might have served as his first wife's maritagium.One such holding was the manor of Finebergh, Suffolk, whichlater passed in marriage among his descendants to the LordsLisle, of Rougemont. I haven't yet established how William Maletgot that property. Since so many of the Magna Carta suretieswere related to the Clare family, that might be a good directionin which to look for William Malet's first wife. 1152 - 1194 Gilbert Malet 42 42 Gilbert, of Curry Malet; Steward to Henry II 1170-83; marriedAlice, daughter and coheir of Ralph Picot, of Milton, Kent.[Burke's Peerage]

Note: Turton states that a Sir William Malet, d. 1196, wasfather of the William Malet who married Alice Basset. Howeverboth Burke's Peerage and Ancestral Roots have Gilbert as thefather. Turton seems to agree with the other two sources, exceptfor the name of this generation. 1125 - 1169 William I Malet 44 44 1154 Alice Malet 1276 - 1340 Hawise de Bures 64 64 Hawise de Muscegros, b. 21 Dec 1276, d. aft. 24 June 1340; m.(2) bet. 2 Feb 1297/8 and 13 Sep 1300, Sir John de Ferrers, LordFerrers of Chartley, d. 1312; m. (3) Sir John de Bures, d.Bodington, 21 or 22 Dec 1350. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Note: Ancestral Roots has a death date: 'bef. Dec 1350', both AR& MCS could be correct since the dates are not mutuallyexclusive.

Note: Some say that no marriage took place between William deMortimer & Hawise de Muscegros, only a betrothal. However MCSnames her marriage to John de Ferrers as her 2nd marriage and3rd to John de Bures, and CP IX:281 note (c) states that themarriage took place, however the CP entry below states themarriage was 'not consumated'.

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He [John de Ferrers] married, between 2 February 1297/8 and 13September 1300, Hawise, daughter and heir of Sir Robert DEMUSCEGROS, of Stowell, Norton, and Charlton, Somerset, Kemertonand Boddington, co. Gloucester, Hampstead and Aldworth, Berks,by Agnes, his wife (c). She was widow of William DE MORTEMER, ofBridgwater, Milverton, and Odcombe, Somerset, Crendon, Bucks,&c. (a younger son of Sir Roger de Mortemer, of Wigmore, co.Hereford), who died s.p. shortly before 30 June 1297, but thismarriage had not been consummated. On 12 and 17 July 1302 Johnde Ferrers and Hawise had livery of the lands of Cecily deMuscegros, her grandmother (who died shortly before 10 August1301), the King having taken his homage therefor. When Seneschalof Gascony, he had serious differences (graves dissensiones etdiscordie), from which tumults had arisen, with Amanieu, Sired'Albret, and other magnates, and on 5 August 1312 John andAmanieu were ordered to appear before a commission appointed tosettle the dispute; finally, 16 and 19 August, they were orderedto come before the King wherever he might be in England, to makepeace in the royal presence: but about this time, probably inAugust 1312, John died in Gascony, of poison, it was said, atthe age of 41. His widow married Sir John de BURES. In 1329 and1330 they made dispositions dealing with all, or nearly all, ofher cstates. She, who was born 21 December 1276, was living, 24June 1340, but died before him. He died at Boddington, 21 or 22December 1350. [Complete Peerage V:581-5, (transcribed by DaveUtzinger)]

(c) According to the usual account, this Agnes was daughter ofWilliam, Earl of Derby, by his 2nd wife, Margaret de Quency.This is obviously impossible, for it would make John and Hawisefirst cousins.

NOTE: 'Some Corrections & Additions to CP', based on argumentsby Douglas Richardson, does not think that Hawise was daughterof Robert de Muscegros by Agnes de Ferrers, as this would makeHawise & John 1st cousins, and their dispensation was based on amuch more tenuous relationship. Also Douglas claims that thefirst appearance of Agnes as Robert de Muscegros' wife was in1278/9, so Hawise was probably daughter of some earlierMuscegros.

 1254 - 1280 Robert de Mucegros 26 26 1232 - 1275 John de Mucegros 42 42 1202 - 1253 Robert de Muscegros 51 51 Sir Robert de Muscegros, of Charlton, d. 29 Jan 1253/4. [MagnaCharta Sureties]

The following record is from the Harleian Society's 'Knights ofEdward I.', which is copied from Paul McBride's information at:http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~pmcbride/james/f033.htm

'Keeper of Savernake Forest May 4, 1252. His Inq. January 29,1254. He held Manors of Brynham [Brewham or Berwain], Cherlton,and Norton, Somersetshire, as 1 Knight's fee, Finebergh,Suffolk, 1 fee, moiety of Kenemerton 1 fee, and Botintonone-quarter fee, with lands at Hetherle, Norteclive, andKillicot, Gloucester one-half fee, and left his son and heir,John, 21.' 1202 - 1287 Helewisia Poyntz 85 85 Hawise Malet, living 4 May 1287; m. (1) bef. 23 Mar 1216/7 SirHugh Poyntz, d. 4 Apr 1220, son of Nicholas Poyntz, d. bef. 2Nov 1223, and Julian, daughter of Hugh Bardolf; with his fatherHugh Poyntz joined the Barons in their struggle against KingJohn, and was captured at Worcester, 17 July 1216, andimprisoned; Hawise m. (2) 11 Feb 1220/1 Robert de Muscegros, ofCharlton, d. 29 Jan 1253/4. [Magna Charta Sureties]

Note: Both AR and CP say she died shortly before 4 May 1287.

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Hawise Malet, apparently child of first unknown wife, coheir tobarony of Curry Malet, Somerset, living 4 May 1287; m. (1) bef.23 Mar 1216/7, Sir Hugh Poyntz, d. shortly bef. 4 Apr 1220 (son& heir apparent of Nicholas Poyntz, dead by 2 Nov 1223, lord ofTockington, co. Gloucester by (1) wife, Juliane, daughter ofHugh Bardolf). With father, Hugh joined the Barons against KingJohn, captured 17 July 1216 at Worcester and imprisoned. Hawisem. (2) bef. 11 Feb 1220/1, Robert de Mscegros of Charlton,Somerset, d. shortly bef. 29 Jan 1253/4. [Ancestral Roots, line234a-29]

Note: Apparently the existence of a first wife, mother of all ofWilliam's children is new with this line, and overrides allother published accounts up to this time. See notes underWilliam. 1234 - 1301 Cecily de Mucegros 67 67 1252 - 1281 Agnes de Mucegros 29 29 Generated by GenoPro®. Click here for details.