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TITL Burke 's Peerage & B aronetage, 106th Editi on, Charles Mosley
E ditor-in-Chief, 1999
A BBR Burke' s Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charle s Mosl e y
Editor-in-Chi ef, 199 9
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It ha s been suggeste d th at the fami ly derived its n ame fro m Sai, a
bout
two mi les SE of Argentin i n Normandy , though t here is no substantial
e vidence fo r this .  Certainl y Will ia m de Say, possibly a No rm an,
mar ried
b y 1098 A gnes, da ughte r of Hugh de G re ntmesnil.
Bu t the k nown p edigree orig inate s with anoth er William de S ay, g
ranted
h is (prob ably dead) father's la nd s in a charte r of the Empress Ma ud
b etwe en Christma s 1141 and J une 1142 ; joined his brothe r-in-law
Geoff rey
de M andeville, 1 st Ear l of Ess ex oft he 1140 cr eation, in rebellion
against St ep h en 114 4; married Beatrice (died 19 April 1197 or s ome ye
a
r
b efore it) , daug hte r of William de Mandevi ll e , sist er o f 1st Earl
of
Essex and divo rced wi fe of Hu gh Talebot, an d was all e gedly killed in
an
attack on Burwell Cast le, Ca mb s , along with his bro t her -in-law, 1st
Earl
of Essex Aug 11 4 4, though he m a y well have died la ter. [B urke's
Peerage]
Not e: M agna Char ta Sureties has Geo ffrey de Mandev ille dea d 14 Sep
1144.
Also n ot e t hat I have this Willia m as a gran dso n of William d e Say
&
Agnes de Gren tme snil.
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William de S a y , son of William de Say, and grand son of Will iam de
Say,
who came into En gla nd with the Conqueror. He m . Beatrix , the divorced
wife of Hugh Talb ot, and dau. of Ge offrey de Ma ndevil le, Ear l of
Essex,
si ster o f Godfr ey, an d aunt , and eventually heir ess o f Willia m d e
Mandeville , Ea rls o f Essex, by whom h e had issue, Willia m a nd
Geoff rey.
[ Sir Bernard Burke, D ormant , Abeyant, For feited, and Extinc t Peerages
,
Burke' s Peerage, Lt d., Lon d on, 1883, p. 476, Sa ye, or Say, Bar ons
Saye]
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