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REFN : ems-jw
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Curt Hofem ann, curt_ hofemann@@yahoo.c o m, in a post- e m, sta te s:
ROB ERT, [the origi nal, and possibl y only Ro ber t--existen ce of a 2nd
Robert (as father) is spe c ulative at this t ime] ], so n and heir.
[det ai ls
of his car eer from 1203 to 12 32 a re given. Pa g et s a ys this is the
e lder
R obert, but as I sai d before, I wonder wheth er the re may really be two
Robert s in succe ssion he re.] Ref: Ch ris Philli ps 6 Oct 2 001] Rese
arch
n ote: there is questi on as to the accuracy of Pag et' s Pee ra ge - unti
l
c orrobo rating sou rces confi rm the above , I leav e Robert as the 1st o
f
th e line.. . Curt
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following i s the argu ment for a 2 Rob ert th eory, of which t his Ro
bert
i s
the young er, put fort h by Chris Phillips (wh i ch I hav e followed):
Pa g et gives furt her deta ils o f the "elder" Rob ert's c areer , from
1203
to
122 7, and say s he married Ag at ha, dau and c o heir of F ulk Beaufoy
[citing
Blo me field 's History of Norfol k], and says he had 4 d a ug hters by he
r
(repeati ng s om e of t he errors about t he daugh ters). He add s th at
Robert
marrie d sec o ndly Alice, widow of J ohn de Wahu ll (d.1 217) [ci tin g
Bracton's Notebo o k, no 1182] and daughter of William d e M un chensi, an
d
tha t Robert was stil l living 1232.
Having said th at, we know t hat the mother of t he "elder " Rob e r t's 4
daughters was not in f act Aga t hade Beaufo, bu t Marge ry, daughter o f
Willia m de Fresney. Also th at a t l ea st two of these d aughter s gave
bi rt h
to their heirs aroun d 1240. A nd thatC .J. Phillips in his Histo ry of
t he
Sackvi ll e Family makes Agat h a de Beaufo t he mother of Robert, no t
his
w ife.
So coul d it be that there are two Roberts here - the fir st who w as
ac tive by 1203 a nd married Agath a de Beaufo, an d the second who
ma rried
Ma rger y de Fresney an d died aro un d 1 249 leaving 4 daug hters an d a
widow
A li ce "de Merley/Mar ley "? Pe rha ps t his Alice is the same o ne me n
tioned
a bove, i n any case. [Ref: C h ris Phil lips, message to soc.genealo gy.
medieva l, 24 Sep 2001][geddown.ge d]
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