General Notes

Name Suffix:<NSFX> Lord Of Flamstead
Roger, called de Toeni or de Conches; born probably c110
4 ; married Ida, daughter of Baldwin III, Count of Hainaul
t , and died between autumn 1157 and the beginning of 116
2 .  [Burke's Peerage]
----------------------
ROGER DE TOENI III, styled also DE CONCHES, 1st son and h
e r, was born probably about 1104, and succeeded his fathe
r a bout 1126. In 1131 he attested Henry I's pancarte confi
rming all the grants of his ancestors and himself and other
s to the abbey of Conches. He is said to have waged war wit
h Hugh de Chateauneuf in 1133. In 1135 the King suspected t
hat he was preparing to rebel, together with William Talva
s , Count of Ponthieu, on behalf of Henry's son-in-law, Geo
ffrey Plantagenet, and sent his own soldiers to garrison th
e castle of Conches. After the King's death Roger supporte
d Geoffrey and his wife the Empress Maud against Stephen. A
fter Easter 1136 hostilities began between him and the Kin
g 's generals, the twins Waleran, Count of Meulan, and Robe
rt , Earl of Leicester; and civil war raged in May and June
. In the autumn the fighting flared up again; but on 3 Octo
ber Roger was ambushed and captured by Count Waleran and He
nry de la Pommeraye. His land was laid under an interdict a
nd he was kept in prison for more than 6 months, but was re
leased in 1137. In May 1138 he was attacked by the Count o
f Meulan and William d'Ypres, but defended himself successf
ully; and on 7 September he captured Breteuil and burnt th
e town. However, before the end of 1138 he made peace wit
h the twin Earls, who conducted him to England, where he wa
s reconciled to King Stephen.  Nothing is known of what hap
pened to his English lands during this period. In 1150 or 1
151 he was with Henry, Duke of Normandy, at Rouen. After He
nry had become King, Roger enjoyed the royal favour; for be
tween Michaelmas 1157 and Michaelmas 1158 the King grante
d him 100 solidates of land at Holkham, Norfolk. He was a b
enefactor to the abbeys of la Noë, Conches and Bec.
He married Ida, daughter of BALDWIN III, COUNT OF HAINAUL
T , by Yolande, daughter of Gerard, COUNT OF GUELDERS. Wit
h her he had in marriage from Henry 120 librates of land ou
t of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk. He died a
fter Michaelmas 1157 and probably before 1162. [Complete Pe
era ge XII/1:763-4, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
----------------------
Following copied from soc.genealogy.medieval newgroup:
From: Paul C. Reed (reedpcgen@@aol.com)
Subject: Idenity of Countess Ida revisited [2nd try]
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2000/01/06
Roger de Toeni [the third of that name, or III] was born c
a . 1104, and died after Michaelmas 1157, presumably befor
e h is son died in 1162.  He married Ida of Hainault, daugh
te r of Baldwin III, Count of Hainault, by his wife Yoland
e d e Guelders.  It is not known when Ida died, but she pre
suma bly survived him, as Henry II granted her [Ida de Toun
ay] l and at Garsington, co. Oxford [Rot. Hund.].
This couple had four known sons:
(1) Ralph de Toeni [V], who succeeded his father and die
d 1 262/3, having married Margaret de Beaumont.
(2) Roger de Toeni, Jr., dead by 1185, when his wife Ade/A
l da de Chaumont was holding land at Holkington, co. Norfol
k , of her son Baldwin de Toeni [II] (1170-1216), Seigneu
r d e Acquigny, apparently father of Roger de Akeny and Si
r Wil liam Dakeny [Acquigny].  The Rotuli de Dominabus stat
es tha t Ade/Alda was born about 1155, and that she had fiv
e daugh ters aside from her son Baldwin.  [Does anyone hav
e any Dak eny ancestry?]
(3) Baldwin de Toeni, who settled in Hainault [having resi
d ed with his uncle Baldwin IV], where he died in 1170, lea
vi ng issue.
(4) Geoffrey de Toeni, a cleric who flourished 1157-62, 11
7 7.
Two daughters have also been mentioned before:
1) Goda (c1136-) m Walchieline de Ferrers
2)Godeheut de Toeni (-<1186) m William de Mohun