Helvise de Noyon 
Helvise de was born about 0995 in Noyon,Oise,Picardy,France. Helvise de's father was Garnier de Noyon. Her paternal grandfather was Robert de Croyes. She was an only child. She died after 1030.General Notes
This is an excerpt from a post to SGM (full post is in notes under Ermengarde de Tonnerre), 5 Dec 1998, by Settipani, the noted French genealogist:
The Ascendancy of Ermengarde of Tonnerre : Part II
The ancestry of Helvisa (no 3) is unknown, but I suppose her a niece of Hardoin, bishop of Noyon (1015-1027) (M. Chaume believed she was a sister of his). Hardoin is brother of Garnier and son of Robert of Croyes. Probably they are issued of Waltharius (Gauthier, Walter), count of Valois, Amiens and Vexin (d. c. 992/8), grandson of the caroligian Helvisa.
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Ancestor Pedigree Chart
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*There are earlier generations for the ancestor(s) indicated. See their page(s) for details (click name)
- b.~ 0855 in Ostrevant,Nord-Pas-de-Calais,France d.0895
- b.0896 in FRANCE d.0944 in In Battle
- b.~ 0855 in Friuli,Italy d.> 0892
- b.0919 in Vexin,Seine Inferieure,Normandy,France d.BET 991 AND 998
- b.< 0901
- b.~ 0924 d.12 NOV 990
- b.~ 0854
- b.~ 0946 in Amiens,Oise,Picardy,France
- b.~ 0845 in Of,,Anjou,France d.~ 0893 in St Martin,Tours,Indre-et-Loire,France
- b.~ 0870 in Anjou France d.0938
- b.~ 0844 in Of,Tours,,France
- b.~ 0924 in Of,Vexin,Normandy,France
- b.~ 0844
- b.~ 0870 in Of,,,France
- b.~ 0848 in Loches,France
- b.~ 0967 in Noyon,Oise,Picardy,France
- b.~ 0995 in Noyon,Oise,Picardy,France d.> 1030
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They had a son and a daughter, named Milo I de Tonnerre Comte de and Ermengarde de.
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Children
Milo I de Tonnerre Comte de Bar-sur-Seine
Milo I de Tonnerre Comte de was born about 1020 in Tonnerre,Yonne,Bourgogne,France. He died in 1046.2
1 {316552.ftw}
2 Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com @ Ed Mann, 15 Jun 1998
Further sources/citations:
Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com @ Ed Mann, 3 Dec 1998, Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com @ Settipani, 5 Dec 1998
2 Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com @ Ed Mann, 15 Jun 1998
Further sources/citations:
Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com @ Ed Mann, 3 Dec 1998, Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com @ Settipani, 5 Dec 1998
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