Alianore de Curceles 
Alianore de was born about 1205 in Artington,Guildford,Surrey,England.1 Alianore de's father was Wandril II De Curceles Of Frome, Attorney and her mother was Clemence De Turnham Heiress Of Peper Harow. Her maternal grandparents were Stephen De Turnham Of Artington and Edeline De Broc. She was an only child. She died before 1238.General Notes
The 1st wife of the last named Ralph FitzBernard was Alianore, daughter and coheir of Stephen de Turnham, of Artington, Surrey, the King's Marshal, by Edeline, daughter and coheir of Randolf de Broc, the King's Usher and Marshal, son of Oyne Porcel. [Complete Peerage V:400 note (b)]
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Note: It has been a mystery to me that Stephen has a daughter Eleanor who m. Roger de Leybourne, who was obviously a different person than this Alianore. I could not understand why Stephen had two daughters named Eleanor & Alianore (which are the same name).
It turns out that, according to evidence presented to SGM, 20 Feb 2003, by Rosie Bevan, Alianore is not a daughter, but a granddaughter of Stephen & Edeline:
From: "Rosie Bevan" (rbevan@paradise.net.nz)
Subject: Fw: Turnham
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-02-20 18:50:17 PST
I think the two puzzles I mentioned in my last post are now solved. The Eleanor married to Ralph Fitz Bernard was actually granddaughter of Edelina, and daughter of Clemence and Wandril de Corcell.
DD 426 sub de Curcellis, Wandregesil, explains part of it but does not mention that Clemence de Broc was his wife.
"Wandregesil II de Curcellis held a third part of a fee at Frome in 1212 (Fees, 81), which passed to his daughter and heiress Eleanor, wife of Ralph fitzBernard by 1219 (Fess, 262).
1. Stephen de Turnham=Edelina de Broc
2.Mabel=Thomas de Bavelingham
2.Alice=Adam de Bendeges
2.Beatrice=Ralph de Fay
2.Clemence=Wandril de Curceles
3.Eleanor=Ralph fitzBernard
2.Eleanor=Roger de Leyburn
3.Roger de Leyburn
Both Clemence and Eleanor were dead in 1220.
Cheers
Rosie
The 1st wife of the last named Ralph FitzBernard was Alianore, daughter and coheir of Stephen de Turnham, of Artington, Surrey, the King's Marshal, by Edeline, daughter and coheir of Randolf de Broc, the King's Usher and Marshal, son of Oyne Porcel. [Complete Peerage V:400 note (b)]
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Note: It has been a mystery to me that Stephen has a daughter Eleanor who m. Roger de Leybourne, who was obviously a different person than this Alianore. I could not understand why Stephen had two daughters named Eleanor & Alianore (which are the same name).
It turns out that, according to evidence presented to SGM, 20 Feb 2003, by Rosie Bevan, Alianore is not a daughter, but a granddaughter of Stephen & Edeline:
From: "Rosie Bevan" (rbevan@paradise.net.nz)
Subject: Fw: Turnham
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-02-20 18:50:17 PST
I think the two puzzles I mentioned in my last post are now solved. The Eleanor married to Ralph Fitz Bernard was actually granddaughter of Edelina, and daughter of Clemence and Wandril de Corcell.
DD 426 sub de Curcellis, Wandregesil, explains part of it but does not mention that Clemence de Broc was his wife.
"Wandregesil II de Curcellis held a third part of a fee at Frome in 1212 (Fees, 81), which passed to his daughter and heiress Eleanor, wife of Ralph fitzBernard by 1219 (Fess, 262).
1. Stephen de Turnham=Edelina de Broc
2.Mabel=Thomas de Bavelingham
2.Alice=Adam de Bendeges
2.Beatrice=Ralph de Fay
2.Clemence=Wandril de Curceles
3.Eleanor=Ralph fitzBernard
2.Eleanor=Roger de Leyburn
3.Roger de Leyburn
Both Clemence and Eleanor were dead in 1220.
Cheers
Rosie
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The 1 st wife of the last named Ralph FitzBernard w a s Aliano re, dau
ghter
and cohei r of Stephen de Turnham, of Artington , Sur re y, the King's
M arshal, by Edelin e, daughter and cohe ir of Randolf de Bro c, t he
King's
Ushe r and Marshal, son o f Oyne Porce l. [ Complete Peerage V:400 no te
(b)]
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Note: It has be en a mystery to me th at Stephen h as a daught er Eleanor
who m . Roger de Leybo u rne, who was obvio usly a d iffer ent perso n
than
this Aliano re. I could no t understan d why S tephen had two d aughters
named Eleanor & Al ianore (w hic h ar e the same name ).
It turns out t hat, a ccording to evidence presented t o SGM , 20 Feb
2003,
by Rosie Bevan, Al ianore is not a daughter , but a grand daughte r of
Stephen & Edeline:
From: " Rosie Bevan" (rbevan@parad ise.net.nz )
Subjec t: Fw: Turn ham
Newsgroups: soc.ge ne alogy.medieval
Date: 2003-02- 20 18:50:17 PST
I thi nk the two puzzles I ment i oned in my last post a re no w solved.
The
Elean or married toRalph Fitz Bern ard was act ually grand da ughter of
Edelina , an d daughter of Clemence an d Wa n dril de Corcell.
DD 4 26 sub de Curcellis, Wa ndregesil,explains part of it b u t does not
mention t hat Clemence de Broc w as his wife.
"Wandregesil II d e Cu rcellis held a t hird part of a fee a t Fro me in
1212
(Fees, 81), which passed to his daughte r an d heiress Eleanor, wi fe of
Ralph fitzBernard by 1219 (Fes s , 262).
1. Steph en de Turnham=Edelina de Broc
2.Mabel=Thomas de Bave lingham
2.Alice=Ad am de B endeges
2.Beatrice =Ralp h de Fay
2.Clemence=Wandri l de Curc eles
3 .Eleanor=R alph fitzBernard
2.Elean or=Roger de Leyburn
3.Ro ger de Leybu rn
Both Clemen ce and Eleanor were dead i n 1220.
Cheers
Rosie
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Ancestor Pedigree Chart
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- b.~ 1180 in Frome,Somerset,England d.< 1219
- b.~ 1205 in Artington,Guildford,Surrey,England d.< 1238
- b.~ 1115 in Thurnham,Hollingbourn,Kent,England
- b.~ 1140 in Turnham,Kent,England d.1214 in Mulgrave Castle,Sandsend/Whitby,Yorkshire,England
- b.~ 1165 in Great Berwick near Shrewsbury,Shropshire,England d.1214 in Artington,Guildford,Surrey,England
- b.~ 1183 in Peper Harow,Hambledon,Surrey,England d.< 1220
- b.~ 1110 d.Deceased
- b.~ 1140 in Angmering,East Preston,Sussex,England d.1179
- b.~ 1170 in Angmering,East Preston,Sussex,England d.Deceased
- b.~ 1115 in Great Berwick Near Shrewsbury,Shropshire,England d.Deceased
- b.~ 1145 in Great Berwick Near Shrewsbury,Shropshire,England d.Deceased
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Alianore de and Ralph were married in a religious ceremony in 1st wife.2 They had a son named John.
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Children
John Fitzbernard Of Kingsdown
John was born about 1222 in Kingsdown,Kent,England. He died before October 30th, 1259.3
1 Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 @ V:400 (b)
2 Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 @ V:400 (b)
3 Some Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml @ V:400 (b) FitzBernard
4 Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 @ V:400 (b)
Further sources/citations:
Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com @ Rosie Bevan, 20 Feb 2003, Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 @ V:400 (b), Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com @ Rosie Bevan, 20 Feb 2003
2 Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 @ V:400 (b)
3 Some Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml @ V:400 (b) FitzBernard
4 Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 @ V:400 (b)
Further sources/citations:
Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com @ Rosie Bevan, 20 Feb 2003, Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 @ V:400 (b), Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com @ Rosie Bevan, 20 Feb 2003
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