General Notes

Captor? of Harold Godwyn, Companion of William I, Crusader.

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I used to have Guy as son of Enguerrand II de Ponthieu, but the following excerpt from a post to SGM, 10 Apr 2001, by Peter Stewart, clears up Guy's parents and where I got the misinformation in the first place:

From: Stewart, Peter (Peter.Stewart@@crsrehab.gov.au)
Subject: RE: Guy I de Ponthieu
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2001-04-10 21:14:09 PST

My earlier posting above should have read:

"Hugh II and Bertha were the parents of Enguerrand II and of Guy I."

Spencer Hines has provided the correct information - I was careless in following ES III/4, Tafel 635, where Guy is wrongly shown as the son of Enguerrand and Adelaide of Normandy, without checking - oddly enough, ES lists a number of sources for this family that contradict the erroneous genealogy given in the table cited.

One of these is CP vol 1 (article on Aumale), where Enguerrand is correctly stated to have died without male issue. The relationships in the first comital house of Ponthieu are tabulated in *The Carmen de Hastingae Proelio of Guy Bishop of Amiens* edited by Catherine Morton and Hope Muntz (Oxford, 1972), based on the research of Jules DelaÓte in *Les comtes de Dammartin en GoÎle et leurs ancÍtres du VIIIe au XIIe siËcle* (LiËge, 1911), another source used by ES. Tafel 635 also shows a second daughter of Enguerrand and Adelaide, named HÈlissende, who is supposed to have married Hugh II, count of Saint-Pol - Morton & Muntz do not mention this HÈlissende at all, and anyway the relationship shown in ES appears to be a compound error since the corresponding Saint-Pol table does not specify the parents of Hugh II's wife, stating only that she was Guy's sister.

By the way, a later edition of the *Carmen de Hastingae Proelio* by Frank Barlow (Oxford, 1999), cited by DSH, agrees with Morton & Muntz in stating that Adelaide of Normandy was William the Conqueror's full-sister [xlv, note 128]. However, Barlow reverts to the earlier general opinion that Judith, the wife of Earl Waltheof, was her daughter by a second marriage to Lambert of Lens rather than a posthumous daughter of her first husband Enguerrand of Ponthieu, as argued by Morton & Muntz [p 127, note 2].

Peter Stewart