General Notes

Beatrice (died 19 April 1197 or some year before it), daughter of William de Mandeville, sister of 1st Earl of Essex and divorced wife of Hugh Talebot.  [Burke's Peerage]

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He [William de Say] m. Beatrice, divorced wife of Hugh Talebot, sister of Earl Geoffrey above named, and da. of William de Mandeville.  The Earl is said to have brought her to England for the marriage.  She lived to a great age; d. 19 Apr, in or before 1197, and was buried at Walden Abbey. (Complete Peerage XI:464-5 (transcribed by Thomas Aiken))

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Below is my response to a query by Mike Lysell, via a post-em, concerning Beatrice's marriage date to Hugh Talbot and the birth dates of their children:

I may have been too conservative ("bef 1135") with Richard's birth year.  I sometimes get frustrated with sources that refuse to give a guestimate as to the birth year, when they probably have a fairly good idea.  Anyway "bef 1135" is the only date I could nail down as a definite sourced date, but he was probably born much earlier.

I see on soc.genealogy.medieval that Beatrice m. her 2nd husband "bef 1197" (in other words before she died).  However that is even more outlandish a date than mine, because they do indicate she had children (Richard/William) by that marriage, and that had to be well before she was 92 years old (1197)!

I see many people have Hugh Talbot d. 1120.  At least one has "aft 1123", which is what I will use, along with abt 1120 as the marriage and 1121 and 1123 as the respective birth years.  If Beatrice was divorced (as my sources state), then Hugh probably was still alive for awhile after their divorce.  I then give Hugh's 1st wife a death of "bef. 1120" which might be the source of confusion over Hugh's death date.

Most of the marriage/birth dates are not sourced, but they seem reasonable.

Jim Weber