Lord Pontefract, Robert de Lacy

Birth Name Lord Pontefract, Robert de Lacy 1a 2a
Gramps ID I30104
Gender male
Age at Death less than 59 years

Events

Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Birth [E40799] 1070 Halton, Chestershire, England  
1b 2b
Death [E40800] before 1129    
1c 2c
_FA1 [E40801]   Founded & built Cluniac priory of St. John, Pontrefract.  
1d 2d
_FA2 [E40802]   Built Lacy Castle at Clitheroe.  
1e 2e
_FA3 [E40803]   Banished from his English estates abt 1114, but kept those in Normandy.  
1f 2f

Parents

Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father Lord Pontefract, Ilbert de Lacy [I29893]1045about 1093
Mother (de Lacy), Hawise [I30105]1045
         Lord Pontefract, Robert de Lacy [I30104] 1070 before 1129

Families

    Family of Lord Pontefract, Robert de Lacy and de Perche, Maud [F11970]
Unknown Partner de Perche, Maud [I30106] ( * 1074 + 1155 )
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
de Lacy, Alberda (Aubrey) [I29896]1097

Narrative

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--- W E Wightman, *The Lacy Family in England and Normandy, 1066-1194*,
genealogical chart following p 260. Besides the three children Aubrey, Ilbert II and Henry I entered here, Wightman has "Robert (o.s.p.)" and "a knight (ob. 1138)", of whome he says "These two may be one and the same person", and also "Jordan (ob. ante 1166)".

From same, p 59: "Robert I succeeded his father Ilbert as head of the family,
probably between 1091 and 1100. Almost as little is known about his career as
about that of his father. The date of his birth cannot even be guessed, and the
date of his death is uncertain. He was alive during the time of Thomas II,
archbishop of York (1108-13). He was dead by 1129, when Robert de Lisours paid L12. 9s. 4d. for permission to marry Robert de Lacy's daughter Aubrey. ...
Robert's wife was called Matilda. She surviived into Stephens's reign, and
perhaps even until 1155. They had three sons whose existence can be proved, as well as a daugher, Aubrey. Ilbert II suceeded Robert I, and Henry
succeeded Ilbert when the latter died apparently childless. A third unnamed
son was killed at the battle of the Standard, 22 August 1138, and was the
only Anglo-Norman knight killed. Robert also had a son of his own name."

From same, p 60, 61, 63: "Robert I was the first member of the family to found a monastery of his own. ..... Robert I was responsible for the foundation of the Cluniac priory of St. John, Pontefract, at some time during the reign of William I. Robert I seems to have been an energetic founder and builder, for in addition to his ecclesiastical foundations he was probably responsible for the building of the Lacy castle at Clitheroe. There is no real evidence whatever for the suggestion sometimes advanced that Roger of Poitou built it."

From same, p 66, 67, 68, 72: "Round about 1114 Robert I was banished from his English estates, though apparently not from those in Normandy, since his son was still in possession of his share of the lands there in 1133. The honour was granted to Hugh de Laval not later than 1118 ..... Although there is no
evidence to connect him with England before he received Pontefract, Hugh
seems to have regarded himself as the heir of the Lacy family and to have
behaved much like any ordinary tenant-in-chief, unlike his immediate successor [William] Maltravers. ..... Maltravers was nothing more than an
efficient lay administrator and financier who had risen in the service of the king in much the same way as Payn fitz John in the West Midlands. Payn was, however, a member of the lesser nobility; of Maltravers's origin nothing is known. He owed his position entirely to his abilities and to the king's recognition of them, to such an extent that by 1130 he had become a man of considerable substance. ..... The manner of his death has long been
known, since the tale was told by Richard of Hexham. As soon as Henry I was
dead, Maltravers was killed by a knight of the honour, and the way was open
for the return to Pontefract of Ilbert II de Lacy. As an upstart who took no interest in the affairs of his barony save for what he could extract to recoup the sums he had paid for it, Maltravers must have incurred the dislike of established honorial barons like William Foliot and Roger Peitevin. They were the men who would suffer in pociket from his demands, and who would despise a man who could not be regarded as their lord and leader in the same way as a genuine member of the baronage."

Pedigree

  1. Lord Pontefract, Ilbert de Lacy [I29893]
    1. (de Lacy), Hawise [I30105]
      1. Lord Pontefract, Robert de Lacy
        1. de Perche, Maud [I30106]
          1. de Lacy, Alberda (Aubrey) [I29896]

Ancestors

Source References

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        Penman "Here be Dragons" p. 285, makes him brother to Gwenllian verch Rhys who m Ednyfed Fychan. But, Online db (Univ. of Hull?) I had him son of Gwenwynwyn of Powys.

      • Citation:

        Penman "Here be Dragons" p. 285, makes him brother to Gwenllian verch Rhys who m Ednyfed Fychan. But, Online db (Univ. of Hull?) I had him son of Gwenwynwyn of Powys.

      • Citation:

        Penman "Here be Dragons" p. 285, makes him brother to Gwenllian verch Rhys who m Ednyfed Fychan. But, Online db (Univ. of Hull?) I had him son of Gwenwynwyn of Powys.

      • Citation:

        Penman "Here be Dragons" p. 285, makes him brother to Gwenllian verch Rhys who m Ednyfed Fychan. But, Online db (Univ. of Hull?) I had him son of Gwenwynwyn of Powys.

      • Citation:

        Penman "Here be Dragons" p. 285, makes him brother to Gwenllian verch Rhys who m Ednyfed Fychan. But, Online db (Univ. of Hull?) I had him son of Gwenwynwyn of Powys.

      • Citation:

        Penman "Here be Dragons" p. 285, makes him brother to Gwenllian verch Rhys who m Ednyfed Fychan. But, Online db (Univ. of Hull?) I had him son of Gwenwynwyn of Powys.