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Guncelin de Badlesmere's wife is often said to be Joan Fitz Barn ard. Born circa 1234 in Kingsdown (Kent) England. Died 1310. (a s in the uncorrected CP: Badlesmere (i, 371-372) 'Bartholomew o f Badlesmere, of Badlesmere and Chilham Castle, Kent, s. and h . of Guncelin or Gunselm B., of Badlesmere afsd., Justice of Ch ester, by Joan, da. of Ralph Fitz Bernard, of Kingsdown, Kent (a unt and, in her issue, h. to Thomas [Lord] Fitz Bernard), attend ed . . . .')"

but see CP XIV:57 where Guncelin's wife is found not to be a Fit zBernard.

CP volume in which FitzBernard appears, p.403, note b:

"Genealogists have ignored the fine of 6 Edw. II altogether an d assert that these persons were the heirs of line to John FitzB ernard, as descended from one Margaret, whom they variously desc ribe as daughter or as aunt of Thomas FitzBernard, and mother o f Bartholomew [it would appear that Joan is substituted for Marg aret] de Badlesmere. The first statement, which is the older ver sion, is clearly impossible; the other appears to be merely an a rbitrary alteration of it, to make it possible: at all events, n o evidence is produced. Nor is anything known about the wife o f Guncelin, father of Bartholomew de Badlesmere. Moreover, it i s not likely that Thomas, by a fine, would have given the revers ion of the manor to the actual reversioner. What he did was to e ntail the manor on the heirs of his body, giving his wife a lif e interest, and then sell the manor to Bartholomew, knowing tha t his wife could recover it after his death: which she did, bu t not from Bartholomew, who had already lost the manor---and hi s life."[charlemegne.FTW]

a postulated first wife (or perhaps mistress) of Edmund de Morti mer

The identity of the mother of Isolt de Mortimer was discussed i n 1962 in an article "Two Mortimer Notes" in the New England His torical and Genealogical Register, vol. 116, pp. 16-17, by Charl es F. H. Evans, who concluded that she was not the daughter of M argaret de Fiennes.

See vol. XIV [1998] of the *Complete Peerage*, p. 52 (correctin g vol. I, p. 346, note (e), line 4) and p. 488 (correcting vol . IX, p. 283, note (m). line 4), referring to the conclusion tha t Isolt de Mortimer must have been a daughter of an early, curre ntly unknown, wife of Edmund de Mortimer, as he married his onl y known wife, Margaret de Fiennes, in 1285.

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