Roger II de Montgomery Earl of Arundel 
Roger II de was born about 1005 in St. Germain de Montgomery,Calvados,Normandy. Roger II de's father was Roger I Hugh , Count of Montgomery and his mother was Josseline de Pontaudemer. He had a brother named Gilbert de. He died on July 27th, 1094 in Battle of Cardiff,Wales. He was buried in Abbey of St Peter,Shrewsbury.General Notes
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OCCU Earl of Montgomery ...
SOUR misc.traveller.com/genealogy/gedhtml/kmilburn;
HAWKINS.GED says CIR 1005; gendex.com/users/daver/rigney says 1022 andplace;
Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 238 says c1005;
SOUR HAWKINS.GED;
Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 238 says 27 Jul 1094;
COMYNI.GED (Compuserve) says ABT 27 Jul 1094;
SOUR gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001
Roger de Montgomeri - COMYN4.TAF (Compuserve), p. 23; Earl of Shrewsbury,
Earl of Arundel, Regent of Normandie - COMYNI.GED (Compuserve);Roger IIof
Montgomery (later earl of Shrewsbury), supporter of William the Conqueror-
The Norman Conquest, C.T. Chevallier, p.55;The Franco-Flemish division,esti-
mated strength 1,600, under Roger...,2nd in the column [at the Battle ofHast-
ings] - p. 104;E. of Chichester-Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W.Stuart,p137
ROGER DE MONTGOMERY, son of ROGER DE MONTGOMERI and JOSCELINE. wasSeigneur de Montgomery, Vicomte of Hiemois; Earl of Arundel andShrewsbury; Regent of Normandy and England - Royalty for Commoners,
Roderick W. Stuart, p. 237
Scott and Brian show two different dates. Scott shows he died 1123. I amnot 100% sure this is the correct line. But it does point to this basedon the dates etc. Royal Ancestors of some American
Families by Michel Call SLC 1989 #409 -
http://gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001/G0000066.html#I742
OCCU Earl of Montgomery ...
SOUR misc.traveller.com/genealogy/gedhtml/kmilburn;
HAWKINS.GED says CIR 1005; gendex.com/users/daver/rigney says 1022 andplace;
Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 238 says c1005;
SOUR HAWKINS.GED;
Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 238 says 27 Jul 1094;
COMYNI.GED (Compuserve) says ABT 27 Jul 1094;
SOUR gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001
Roger de Montgomeri - COMYN4.TAF (Compuserve), p. 23; Earl of Shrewsbury,
Earl of Arundel, Regent of Normandie - COMYNI.GED (Compuserve);Roger IIof
Montgomery (later earl of Shrewsbury), supporter of William the Conqueror-
The Norman Conquest, C.T. Chevallier, p.55;The Franco-Flemish division,esti-
mated strength 1,600, under Roger...,2nd in the column [at the Battle ofHast-
ings] - p. 104;E. of Chichester-Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W.Stuart,p137
ROGER DE MONTGOMERY, son of ROGER DE MONTGOMERI and JOSCELINE. wasSeigneur de Montgomery, Vicomte of Hiemois; Earl of Arundel andShrewsbury; Regent of Normandy and England - Royalty for Commoners,
Roderick W. Stuart, p. 237
Scott and Brian show two different dates. Scott shows he died 1123. I amnot 100% sure this is the correct line. But it does point to this basedon the dates etc. Royal Ancestors of some American
Families by Michel Call SLC 1989 #409 -
http://gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001/G0000066.html#I742
OCCU Earl of Montgomery ...
SOUR misc.traveller.com/genealogy/gedhtml/kmilburn;
HAWKINS.GED says CIR 1005; gendex.com/users/daver/rigney says 1022 andplace;
Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 238 says c1005;
SOUR HAWKINS.GED;
Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 238 says 27 Jul 1094;
COMYNI.GED (Compuserve) says ABT 27 Jul 1094;
SOUR gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001
Roger de Montgomeri - COMYN4.TAF (Compuserve), p. 23; Earl of Shrewsbury,
Earl of Arundel, Regent of Normandie - COMYNI.GED (Compuserve);Roger IIof
Montgomery (later earl of Shrewsbury), supporter of William the Conqueror-
The Norman Conquest, C.T. Chevallier, p.55;The Franco-Flemish division,esti-
mated strength 1,600, under Roger...,2nd in the column [at the Battle ofHast-
ings] - p. 104;E. of Chichester-Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W.Stuart,p137
ROGER DE MONTGOMERY, son of ROGER DE MONTGOMERI and JOSCELINE. wasSeigneur de Montgomery, Vicomte of Hiemois; Earl of Arundel andShrewsbury; Regent of Normandy and England - Royalty for Commoners,
Roderick W. Stuart, p. 237
Scott and Brian show two different dates. Scott shows he died 1123. I amnot 100% sure this is the correct line. But it does point to this basedon the dates etc. Royal Ancestors of some American
Families by Michel Call SLC 1989 #409 -
http://gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001/G0000066.html#I742
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EDUC Vicomte of Heimois,sire of Alenconubject: Re: Roger deMontgomeryFrom: Jim Stevens <jstevens@IQUEST.NET>Date: Sun, 6 Apr 199721:43:06 -0500>Dear Jim,> I was reading a post of yours on
Roger de Montgomery(answer to Jay>Garner 11/25/96) and the dates rang abell. I have Roger deBeaumont, b.>about 1022 in Normandy, d. 1094. He wasSeigneur ofPort-Audemer. He was>said to have
governed Normandy while William was off inEngland. He married>Adeline deMeullent about 1040. This information came from theMary & John>series(source of one of Gordon Fisher's posts, also).>
I'm no scholar - most of my education at the moment iscoming from>thislist since I don't have easy access to the books mentioned(although>I'mimproving my library as the pocketbook allows). But I
wasstruck by the>similarities between Roger de Beaumont and Roger deMontgomery.Can you>straighten me out????> I also enjoyed yourposts on Thomas of Savoy althoughI'm hopelessly>lost in
Burgundy! My relationships to these people are probablyshaky, but>fun!You don't happen to have any du Bois (they connect with deFiennes) or>deForests, do you? I'm on solid ground with them.>>Becky
Kenton Pyle (becky@4you.net)> 541 Bloomfield Ave.; Urbana, ChampaignCo., OH 43078Becky, thanks for the kind words. As far as I can telltheBeaumont andMontgomery families were not related. I
will share with you mynotes onthe two Rogers:Roger de Montgomery:1stEarl of Arundel and Shrewsbury. His wife, MABEL, broughthim theLordshipaf Alcenon in Normandy. When WILLIAM THE
CONQUERERinvadedEngland in 1066, Roger remained in Normandy as regent.Hejoined WILLIAMin England in 1067 and was created Earl of Arundel. Uponthedismembermentof Mercia in 1070, he was also given
land in the Welsh Marchesand becameEarl of Shrewsbury.Roger deBeaumont:Weis" "Ancestral Roots. . ." (50:24)."ROGER DE BEAUMONT, SIRE DEPONTEAUDEMER, born about 1010,succeeded to thefamily estates
in Normandy, as Sire du Ponteaudemer, Seigneur deVeulles,Pre'aux,Torville, and du Ponteaitorf, and Seigneur de Beaumont(orBellomont), bywhich last name he came to be generallydescribed. By
hismarriage he greatly increased the possessions and prestige ofthefamily,and he rose to be one of the most powerful feudal noblemen ofhisage inNormandy. When William the Conqueror invaded
England in 1066,Roger deBeaumont furnished sixty armed vessels for thefleet and wasleft in chargeof the government of Normandy when theConqueror started on theexpedition.He munificently endowed
the Abbey of Pre'aux, of which late inlife hebecame a monk; and dying in1094 at advanced age, he was buriedin thismonastery at Ponteaudemer,Normandy."--- J Gardner Bartlett, *Newberry Genealogy*,
Boston, 1914, p4-5.Roger's two sons, Robert and Henry, both accompaniedDukeWilliam when heinvaded England and both recieved vast estates andtitles.As you observe, the two men had remarkably
similiar careers andsurely musthave worked closely together while DukeWilliam was in England.I wish Icould clarify each of their roles as"regent" and as "being incharge ofthe government" of
Normandy, but I can't.I am sending a copy of this post to GEN-MEDIEVALin the hopesthat someonecan further eloborate.Today is the first day ofthe rest of your life !(jstevens@iquest.net)
JimSubject: Re: Roger de Montgomery/Roger deBeaumontFrom: ntaylor@fas.harvard.edu (Nathaniel Taylor)Date: Mon, 07Apr 1997 00:11:22 -0500To Jim Stevens' account of these two men I wouldonly add
thatthey andtheir posterities can be found in Schwennicke's ES3:637-41(Montgomery)and 3:700,702-4 (Beaumont). Both are mentionedextensively inDavid C.Douglas' excellent biography of _William the
Conqueror_(Berkeley, 1964)and will no doubt also be found in the_Complete Peerage_ underShrewsbury(Montgomery) and Leicester(Beaumont).Nat Taylor
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!Earl of Shrewsbury and Arundel. Ordericus Vitalis says the earl was a prudent and moderate man, a great lover of equity and of discreet and modest persons, and being freely assisted by the wisdon and courage of Corbeau and his two sons, Roger and Robert, was glorious amongst the greatest nobles as any of them all, by keeping the Welsh in awe, and that whole province in peace. [The Roll of Battle Abbey]
!A kinsman of William the Conqueror and commander of the first body of the Duke's army at the battle of Hastings. There is an old manuscript at Grey Abbey, co. Down, written about the year 1696 by William Montgomery, son of the Hon. Sir James Montgomery, which says of this family, "For the honour of the nation in general, let it be known to all, that there is at this day the title of a Counte or Earle of the name of all his Majesty's four kingdoms; viz., Count Montgomery in France; Earl of Montgomery in England; Earl of Eglinton in Scotland; and Earl of Mount Alexander in Ireland; the like whereof cannot be truly said of any other surname in all the world." Fifth Count de Montgomery. Seventh or eighth largest financial contributor to the building of Westminster Abbey. [The Roll of Battle Abbey]
!Held the earldoms of Shrewsbury and Arundel in England and in Normandy was Count of Ponthieu and Alencon. [WBH - England]
!His castle, Arundel, is a smaller version of Windsor Castle. [Castles of England, Scotland and Wales, pp. 13-16]
The Norman conquest of England owed much to Roger II of Montgomery, who became earl of Shrewsbury. [The Norman Advantage, p. 85]
Father of Matilda who m. Robert, Count of Mortain and Earl of Cornwall. [Falaise Roll, Table IV]
Son of Roger de Montgomeri, proven by the act of foundation of the abbey of Troarn in Hiemois, wherein he acknowledges and distinguishes his father. Contritubed 60 ships to Duke William's invasion of England and received from him the earldoms of Arundel and Shrewsbury, the honor of Eye in Suffolk and various estates in other counties amounting to 157 manors, the cities of
Chichester and Shrewsbury and the castle of Arundel. He was also quite powerful in Normandy. [Falaise Roll, pp. 100-101]
The family is from Saint-Germain-de-Montgomery and Sainte-Foy-de-Montgomery in Calvados, arr. Lisieux. Roger de Montgomery, earl of Shrewsbury, succeeded Roger his father as seigneur of Montgomery. There are traces of an early castle in each commune. [Anglo-Norman Families, p. 68]
Killed in the battle of Cardiff in Wales, 1092/4. Father of Robert de Belesme. [Falaise Roll, p. 69, 80]
Kinsman of William the Conqueror, given the important county of Shrewsbury on the Welsh border to guard against intrusion. [A History of Wales, p. 104]
By 1086, Roger had built a castle to guard the major Severn ford of Rhydwhiman; it was named Montgomery after Roger's home in Normandy. The Normans claimed the cantrefi of Ial, Cynllaith, Edeirnion and Nanheudwy; thy pushed forward towards Ceri, Cedewain and Arwystli, and there was every sign that the whole of the kingdom of Powys would shortly be under the control of the earl of Shrewsbury and his followers. [History, p. 105]
In 1093, shortly after the death of Rhys ap Tewdwr, the forces of Roger surged from Powys into Ceredigion; they built a castle on the estuary of the river Teifi (Aberteifi-Cardigan) and they continued their way towards the fertile lands of southern Dyfed. There, Roger's son Arnulf seized the cantref of Penfro, where he built Pembroke Castle, one of the greatest of the strongholds of the Normans in Wales. [History, p. 106]
Rainald de Balgiole appears as an under-tenant in Staffordshire and Shropshire of Roger de Montgomery in Domesday. Rainald m. a niece Amiera of Roger. [Anglo-Norman Families, p. 12]
Richard de Belmeis, sheriff of Shropshire, was a follower of Roger de Montgomery. Beaumais-sur-Dive appears to have been a fief of Grandmesnil, from which it was only 12 kil. distant, but it is in the Hiesmois of which Roger was hereditary vicomte, 20 kil. W of Vimoutiers, an early and important Montgomery possession, and 12 kil. E of Noron held of Montgomery by William Pantulf, also an under-tenant in Shropshire. [Anglo-Norman Families, p. 13-14]
b.c. 1005 [Mayflower PAF]
Seigneur de Montgomery, Vicomte of Hiemes, Earl of Arundell and Shrewsbury, Regent of Normandy and England; d. 27 Jul 1094, a monk; m.1 Mabel of Belleme and was father of Robert de Belleme. [Charlemagne & Others, Chart 3353, 3364b]
The story of Arundel begins at Christmas 1067 when Roger de Montgomery was created Earl of Arundel and given a third of Sussex as a reward for his careful stewardship of Normandy while William was away conquering England. There is no evidence that there was a castle at Arundel then and it is likely that Roger himself built the original motte and bailey castle on the site. At first the fortifications would have been of timber but they were soon replaced by the stone shell keep which still exists.
Roger's son, Hugh, died without issue in 1094 and his brother, Robert de Belesme, was attainted after rebelling against Henry I. After a short period in the hands of the Crown, the castle and lands together with the title of Earl of Arundel and the office of Chief Butler of England, which is still held by the Duke of Norfolk, were bestowed upon the d'Albini (d'Aubigny) family. [Arundel Castle, p. 22]
The history of Pembroke Castle opens with Domesday Book in which the great Earl Roger of Montgomery is firmly entrenched on the upper Severn. It seems that he was already poised for a thrust SW into Dyfed, for immediately upon the death in 1093 of Rhys ap Tewdwr, the effective ruler of Deheubarth, he undertook this surprising march over the backbone of Wales, and it seems that he at once occupied the splendid site of Pembroke, as if he had alreayd found out that it
existed. It was conferred on his son Arnulf de Montgomery. In the course of the Welsh reaction against the Norman invasion--which began in 1094, only a very short time after Earl Roger's conquest of Dyfed--all the Anglo-Norman castles in the SW were lost, with the single exception of Pembroke. The Welsh never succeeded in capturing it, and its great strength went far towards depriving it
of any military history. [Pembroke Castle, p. 6]
Although the actual derivation of the name Montgomery is obscure, the Norman family who bore it held the castle of Sainte Foy de Montgomery at Lisieux. Roger de Mundegumbrie, whose mother was the niece of the gr.grandmother of William the Conqueror, accompanied his kinsman on the invasion of England and commanded the van at Hastings in 1066 and was rewarded with the Earldom of Shrewsbury. [Clans & Tartans, p. 244]
Roger de Montgomery II, better known as earl Roger in the Domesday, but officially the seigneur of Montgomery, was the major recipient of Shropshire holdings. An old man of considerable wealth and power, he contributed 60 ships to the invasion fleet and was in command of a wing at the Battle of Hastings. He returned to Normandy with Queen Matilda, and the yougn Duke Robert as Duke
William's representative in Normandy. He became head of the council that governed the Duchy of Normandy in Duke William's frequent absences in England. The Norman Montgomery family ancestry was closely interwoven either by blood or marriage with the Duchy of Normandy. However, the family history in Normandy was not without blemish. Roger had four brothrs, Hugh Robert, William and Gilbert. All four brothers were murdered in revenge for the murder of Osbern de Crepon, guardian of Duke William. Roger was the survivor. Roger had four sons:
1. Robert, Count of Alencon, successor in Normandy to his vast estates
2. Hugh, inherited the Earldom of Arundel, Chichester, Shrwsbury
3. Roger, Count de Poitou, 1st Earl of Lancaster
4. Philip, remained in Normandy; went on 1st Crusade
Earl Roger was responsible to Duke William of Normandy as his chef architect in the defence of the middle marches of the border in his defence against the Welsh. He built many castles including Montgomery, Shrewsbury, Arundel, Ludlow, Clun, Hopton and Oswestry.
Roger became the Earl of Shrewsbury and the Earl of Arundel in England, and retained his domains in Normandy at Bailleul, Belmeis, Pantulf, Vimoutiers, Say and Tornai. However, Earl Roger also became confused with Roger de Beaumont in Normandy, who, it is claimed, was also head of the council in Normandy. But historians tend to think of thie period as being locked in marble. The
volatility of the favours of the Norman court were dynamic, heavily laced with treachery by land hungry Norman nobles eager to share in the prize of the new and wealthy land, England. The Beaumonts, Counts of Meulan in Normandy who became Earls and Counts of Leicester in England, do not seem to be relatged to the Montgomerys in any significant way and were very powerful in their own right, and, in a different time frame, Roger de Beaumont could also have been head of the Norman governing Council.
Since over 90% of the lordships and manors of Shropshire were held in Chief at the Domesday by the powerful Earl Roger, it is perhaps more interesting to determine the intricate cross-weave of under tenants of Norman nobles who assisted in the administration of these domains. Surprisingly, very little of Shropshire was retained by the King as his own land, and very little given to the Churches and Bishops as was the usual procedure. Nevertheless, we are here dealing with the Domesday Book record, 20 years after the Conquest. In the intervening period, Earl Roger, who must by Domesday have been a very old man, and his son Robert, may well have grown and consolidated the original grants after the Conquest to a sizable mini-kingdom on the Welsh border, particularly since the domains were constantly changing, shifting, accommodating the intrusions and wasting by the Welsh, and imposing great flexibility in the border boundaries. Almost all of Derbyshire was held by Earl Roger. [Shropshire and the Domesday Book in 1086 <http://www.infokey.com/Domesday/Shropshire.htm]
Regent of Normandy and England; b.c. 1005/22, Normandy, d.27 Jul 1094 a Monk at Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England; m. Mabel de Belleme and de Alencon; father of Arnulf who m. Lafracoth O'Brien. [Charlemagne, Alfred the Great, and Other Ancestors, Chart 3363c]
‌Roger II de and Mabel Talvas were married in a religious ceremony in 1048. They had five sons and six daughters, named II de Alencon, Hugh de, Philip, Arnoul Arnulf, Roger, Matilda Maud de, Adelina de, Adelaide de Puiset, Emma de, Mabel de and Sybil de.
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Matilda Maud de Montgomery
Matilda Maud de was born about 1039 in Mortaigne,S-Mnch,France,Normandy. She died in 1082. She was buried in Grestain Abbey.1
Adelina de Lancaster
Adelina de was born about 1049 in of Poitou,of Lancaster. She died in of Nottinghamshire,England.
Hugh de Montgomery Earl of Shrewsbury & Arundel
Hugh de was born about 1050 in of Arundel, West Sussex, England.
Arnoul Arnulf Montgomery
Arnoul Arnulf was born about 1066 in of Pembroke,Castle,Dyfed,Wales. He died about 1119.
Roger Montgomery the Poitevin Lancaster Earl of Poitou
Roger was born in of Poitou, France. He died in Charroux, France.
Sybil de Montgomery
Sybil de was born in of Shrewsbury, England.2 She died in 1107 in of Montgomery, Wales.
1 Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com @ John Ravilious (Therav3), 10 Sep 2002
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Further sources/citations:
Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I, The Roll of Battle Abbey, World's Best Histories: England, Castles of England, Scotland and Wales @ p. 13-16, The Norman Achievement, 1050-1100 @ p. 85, Falaise Roll: Recording Prominent Companions of William Duke of Normandy at the Conquest of England @ Table IV; pp. 69, 80, 100-1, The Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families @ p. 12-14, 85, A History of Wales @ pp. 104-6, Royal Ancestors of Some American Families @ Chart 409, Charlemagne, Alfred the Great and Other Ancestors @ Charts 3353, 3364b, Arundel Castle @ p. 23, Pembroke Castle @ p. 6, Clans & Tartans @ p. 244, Charlemagne, Alfred the Great and Other Ancestors @ Chart 3363c
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Further sources/citations:
Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I, The Roll of Battle Abbey, World's Best Histories: England, Castles of England, Scotland and Wales @ p. 13-16, The Norman Achievement, 1050-1100 @ p. 85, Falaise Roll: Recording Prominent Companions of William Duke of Normandy at the Conquest of England @ Table IV; pp. 69, 80, 100-1, The Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families @ p. 12-14, 85, A History of Wales @ pp. 104-6, Royal Ancestors of Some American Families @ Chart 409, Charlemagne, Alfred the Great and Other Ancestors @ Charts 3353, 3364b, Arundel Castle @ p. 23, Pembroke Castle @ p. 6, Clans & Tartans @ p. 244, Charlemagne, Alfred the Great and Other Ancestors @ Chart 3363c
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