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Th e r eal difficulty lies i n the name of Mabel's fa t he r.  Th e only
Rainald d' Orval who so far as can be seen was seigne ur of O r val
witnessed a charter o f Robe rt Curthose bet wee n 1101 a nd 1105 made
gi fts
to Lessay reco rded in a later n o tificati on.  T he full t ext of the
la tter
shows Rainald to h av e had a son H ugh w ho succe eded him an d who was i
n
turn s u cceeded by his s on William, whi c h last was in pos sessi on be
fo re
1151, sinc e a gift of hi s toLessay wa s con firmed by G eoffre y, Duke o
f
Normandy and Co unt of Anjou. This Willia m had a son Ri chard, who ,
with
h is father, witness ed a c ha r ter of Will iam and Ro bert de St. John f
o
r
L a
Luzerne in 116 2.  Wil lia m d'Orval se ems to have died at some date bef
or
e Michaelmas 1 179, since h i s lands we re in the King's han d from then
to
the end of the yea r.  As the l and sthen pass ed to Adam de Po rt and
his
wife, Ri chard must h ave predecea se d his father.  A Rainald d' Orv al
rende rs account a t the N or man Exche quer at Michaelmas 1180, but in
the
" pre posi turs " of Nonan court; a nd sinc e Orv al ha d by that time
passed
t
o
Mabe l and her husband he co uld not ha ve been her fat her .  To sum up ;
it
is diff icult to see how Mabel's f athe r cou ld hav e been a Rainald
d' Orv al
and his nam e must remain unc erta in ; but the sugges tion may be
haza rd ed
that sh e may hav e been the daughter of R ichard, son of William d'Orval
an d that th e "Regina ldus" of the "Histo r ia" may be a scriba l error
for
"Ricardus". [Complete Pe erage][geddown.ge d ]
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