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TITL Comp lete Peerage of England Scotland Ire land Great Britain and the
United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayn e,  Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
ABBR Comp lete Peerage of England Scotland Ire land Great Britai n a nd th
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UnitedKingdom , by G. E Cokayne,  Sutto n Publish i ng Ltd, 2000
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The following is ex cerpted from a post to SGM, 8 De c 2002 , by R og er:
From : Roge r (rtansey9 59@@ao l.com)
Subject : Keat s-Rohan 's Engaine Pe digr e e
Ne wsgroups: soc.ge nealogy.me dieval
Date: 20 0 2-12-08 0 2:09:07 P ST
Dear Grou p :
Perhaps it' s the lateness of the hour, bu t I'm havin g a t er rible time
"t ranslating" t he Engaine pedig ree as correct e d by Keats -R ohan in
Domesda y P eo ple, p. 36 6.  Cananyone he l p?
. . . . .
Si nce V i talis Engaine, son of the R icha rd Engaine of 1086 , ac counte
d
for
part of the lands of Willia m de Lisore s i n 1130it is most pro bable
t hat
Vitalis was father of Ful k de Lisores by a daughter of William de
Lisore s.  This Vit alis son of Richard was the same Vit alis who
controlled th e Pyt chley fee o f h is uncle William I ng aine, a s in dic
ted
b
y his account in 1129/30 to 'reh ave' his land of Lax t on (P R 31 Henr y
I
82).  By a secon d mar riage , to the daughte r o f Fulk th e s heriff,
Vitalis
was father of Ri chard II Engain e of Pytchley. Thenceforth , the Abington
fee descended wit h Fulk de L isores and the Pytchl ey fee wit h Richard
II
Enga i ne.
This sim ple solut ion w as, in f act provided l ong a g o by Hug h
Candidus,
p
.
61 (S taplet on, 170 not e), who wrote: Vitali s f ui t p ater Fulconis de
Li su res, et Ri cardi Engayne, qui g enuit secundum Ricar dum .  The
occurrence of bo th a Ric har d and Vitali s En gaine in the Northa nts
S urvey
has confuse d the i ssu e, since much of that d ocument is anachro nist
ic t
o
its central date of c. 1127 in referring back t o Domesda y Book o r
forwar d
to apoint in th e 1170 s.
Thanks much,
Roger
N ot e: Ap parently the Fulk d e L isores mention ed a bove is N O T the
same
as
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