Alianore de Curceles 
Alianore de was born about 1205 in Artington,Guildford,Surrey,England.1 Alianore de's father was Wandril II De Curceles and her mother was Clemence De Turnham. Her maternal grandfather was Stephen De Turnham. She was an only child. She died before 1238.General Notes
Also Known As:<_AKA> Alianore de /Turnham/
The 1st wife of the last named Ralph FitzBernard was Alianore, daughter and coheir of Stephen de Turnham, of Artington, Surrey, the King's Marshal, by Edeline, daughter and coheir of Randolf de Broc, the King's Usher and Marshal, son of Oyne Porcel. [Complete Peerage V:400 note (b)]
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Note: It has been a mystery to me that Stephen has a daughter Eleanor who m. Roger de Leybourne, who was obviously a different person than this Alianore. I could not understand why Stephen had two daughters named Eleanor & Alianore (which are the same name).
It turns out that, according to evidence presented to SGM, 20 Feb 2003, by Rosie Bevan, Alianore is not a daughter, but a granddaughter of Stephen & Edeline:
From: "Rosie Bevan" (rbevan@@paradise.net.nz)
Subject: Fw: Turnham
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-02-20 18:50:17 PST
I think the two puzzles I mentioned in my last post are now solved. The Eleanor married to Ralph Fitz Bernard was actually granddaughter of Edelina, and daughter of Clemence and Wandril de Corcell.
DD 426 sub de Curcellis, Wandregesil, explains part of it but does not mention that Clemence de Broc was his wife.
"Wandregesil II de Curcellis held a third part of a fee at Frome in 1212 (Fees, 81), which passed to his daughter and heiress Eleanor, wife of Ralph fitzBernard by 1219 (Fess, 262).
1. Stephen de Turnham=Edelina de Broc
2.Mabel=Thomas de Bavelingham
2.Alice=Adam de Bendeges
2.Beatrice=Ralph de Fay
2.Clemence=Wandril de Curceles
3.Eleanor=Ralph fitzBernard
2.Eleanor=Roger de Leyburn
3.Roger de Leyburn
Both Clemence and Eleanor were dead in 1220.
Cheers
Rosie
The 1st wife of the last named Ralph FitzBernard was Alianore, daughter and coheir of Stephen de Turnham, of Artington, Surrey, the King's Marshal, by Edeline, daughter and coheir of Randolf de Broc, the King's Usher and Marshal, son of Oyne Porcel. [Complete Peerage V:400 note (b)]
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Note: It has been a mystery to me that Stephen has a daughter Eleanor who m. Roger de Leybourne, who was obviously a different person than this Alianore. I could not understand why Stephen had two daughters named Eleanor & Alianore (which are the same name).
It turns out that, according to evidence presented to SGM, 20 Feb 2003, by Rosie Bevan, Alianore is not a daughter, but a granddaughter of Stephen & Edeline:
From: "Rosie Bevan" (rbevan@@paradise.net.nz)
Subject: Fw: Turnham
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-02-20 18:50:17 PST
I think the two puzzles I mentioned in my last post are now solved. The Eleanor married to Ralph Fitz Bernard was actually granddaughter of Edelina, and daughter of Clemence and Wandril de Corcell.
DD 426 sub de Curcellis, Wandregesil, explains part of it but does not mention that Clemence de Broc was his wife.
"Wandregesil II de Curcellis held a third part of a fee at Frome in 1212 (Fees, 81), which passed to his daughter and heiress Eleanor, wife of Ralph fitzBernard by 1219 (Fess, 262).
1. Stephen de Turnham=Edelina de Broc
2.Mabel=Thomas de Bavelingham
2.Alice=Adam de Bendeges
2.Beatrice=Ralph de Fay
2.Clemence=Wandril de Curceles
3.Eleanor=Ralph fitzBernard
2.Eleanor=Roger de Leyburn
3.Roger de Leyburn
Both Clemence and Eleanor were dead in 1220.
Cheers
Rosie
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Ancestor Pedigree Chart
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- b.~ 1180 in Frome,Somerset,England d.< 1219
- b.~ 1205 in Artington,Guildford,Surrey,England d.< 1238
- b.~ 1115 in Thurnham,Hollingbourn,Kent,England
- b.~ 1140 in Turnham,Kent,England d.1214 in Mulgrave Castle,Sandsend/Whitby,Yorkshire,England
- b.~ 1165 in Great Berwick near Shrewsbury,Shropshire,England d.1214 in Artington,Guildford,Surrey,England
- b.~ 1183 in Peper Harow,Hambledon,Surrey,England d.< 1220
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Alianore de and Ralph , of Kingsdown & Tong were married in a religious ceremony in 1st wife.2 They had a son named John , of Kingsdown.
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Children
John , of Kingsdown FitzBernard
John , of Kingsdown was born about 1222 in Kingsdown,Kent,England. He died before October 30th, 1259.3
1 Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 @ V:400 (b)
2 Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 @ V:400 (b)
3 Some Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml @ V:400 (b) FitzBernard
Further source/citation:
Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com @ Rosie Bevan, 20 Feb 2003
2 Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 @ V:400 (b)
3 Some Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml @ V:400 (b) FitzBernard
Further source/citation:
Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com @ Rosie Bevan, 20 Feb 2003
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