of England, Joanna

Birth Name of England, Joanna 1a 2a 3a 4a 5a 6a 7a 8a 9a 10a
Gramps ID I32640
Gender female
Age at Death unknown

Events

Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Birth [E43434] BET. 1188 - 1191 of London, Middlesex, England  
1b 11a 8b 9b
Birth [E43435] BET. 1188 - 1191    
 
Death [E43436] 1236/7-02-02 (Julian) Aberconwy, Arllechwedd Uchaf, Caernarvonshire, Wales  

Cause: Chill turned into fever.

1 11b 2 7b 8c 9c
Death [E43437] 1237 England  
 
Death [E43438] 1237 Wales  
10b
_FA1 [E43439]   Interred: Llanfaes, Anglesey, Wales.  
8d 9d
_FA2 [E43440]   Her husband Prince Llewelyn erected the Friary of Llanfaes over her tomb.  
8e 9e
_FA3 [E43441]   Her coffin is in the porch of the parish church, Beaumaris, Ynys Mon (Anglesey).  
8f 9f
_FA4 [E43442] 1211-08-00 Begged her father John to spare husband Llywelyn’s life aft 2nd Welsh uprising.  
1c 8g 12a 9g
_FA5 [E43443] 1212 Warned John of English baronial opposistion overheard at Welsh court.  
1d 8h 12b 9h
Medical Information [E43444]     Dark hair & coloring. Hazel eyeys.
 

Parents

Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father King of England, John Lackland Plantagenet [I30859]1167-12-241216-10-19
Mother de Ferrers, Agatha [I3098]1168
         of England, Joanna [I32640] BET. 1188 - 1191 1236/7-02-02 (Julian)

Families

    Family of Prince of Wales, Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth and of England, Joanna [F14992]
Married Husband Prince of Wales, Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth [I28692] ( * 1173 + 1240-04-11 )
   
Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Marriage [E60020] 1205 St. Werburgh Benedictine Abbey, Chester, Chestershire  
12c 13a 14a 9 8i
_FA1 [E60021]   Married on Ascension Day.  
15 9i
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
verch Llywelyn Fawr, Elen (Helena) of Wales [I36269]1207-11-011253-10-24
verch Llywelyn Fawr, Margred Drwyndon of Wales [I33608]about 1210after 1263
Llewellyn, Angharad [I28162]
    Family of Lord Brecknock, William “Black Will” de Braose and of England, Joanna [F13094]
Unknown Partner Lord Brecknock, William “Black Will” de Braose [I29105] ( * BET. 1196 - 1204 + 1230-05-02 )
   
Event Date Place Description Notes Sources
Partners (Primary) [E59338] about 1228-10-00    
1 8j

Narrative

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ES III:356b credits John with two illegitimate children by Agatha de Ferrers
- Joan and Richard.

"Magna Charta Barons" by Charles H. Browning, copyright 1969 (I'm unsure of the overall reliability of this source), gives Joan's mother as Agatha de Ferrers, daughter of Robert de Ferrers, fourth Earl of Derby.

The journal "The Plantagenet Connection" has published an ahnentafel of Elizabeth Plantagenet, wife of Henry VII, which gives Joan's mother's name as Constance (Clementia) of Brittany. This is the same Constance who was married to Geoffrey Plantagenet, John's brother. Considering the well-known animosity between Constance and John and her attempts to press her own son Arthur's interests as far as the throne of England were concerned (whom John murdered with his own hands) the relationship seems unlikely. The Constance that history portrays does not seem as one who John could easily seduce or coerce into bed.

Others suggest her mother was Clemantina, the wife of Henry Pinel.

Penman, Sharon Kay. "Here Be Dragons". New York: Ballatine Books, June
1993.
Penman, Sharon Kay. "Falls The Shaow". New York: Ballatine Books, May
1989.
Lewis, Marlyn (compiler for "The Plantagenet Connection"). "Ahnentafel for
Elizabeth Plantagenet (Wife of Henry Tudor): Generations 1-15". Arvada, CO:
Heliotrope Communications, 1996.
Wurts, John C. "Magna Charta". Copyright 1945.
Browning, Charles H. "Magna Charta Barons". Copyright 1969.
Adams, Arthur and Frederick Weis. "Magna Charta Sureties". Copyright 1955.
Sir J. E. Lloyd's "History of Wales", Vol.II

Pedigree

  1. King of England, John Lackland Plantagenet [I30859]
    1. de Ferrers, Agatha [I3098]
      1. of England, Joanna
        1. Prince of Wales, Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth [I28692]
          1. verch Llywelyn Fawr, Elen (Helena) of Wales [I36269]
          2. verch Llywelyn Fawr, Margred Drwyndon of Wales [I33608]
          3. Llewellyn, Angharad [I28162]
        2. Lord Brecknock, William “Black Will” de Braose [I29105]

Ancestors

Source References

  1. Sharon Kay Penman: Here Be Dragons [S310900]
      • Source text:

        d. of King John & Clemence d' Arcy

      • Source text:

        b 1191

      • Page: p 339
      • Citation:

        Sharon Kay Penman "Here be Dragons" p. 339

      • Citation:

        Sharon Kay Penman "Here be Dragons"

  2. Brian Tompsett, Dept of Computer Science: University of Hull Royal Database (England) [S186983]
      • Source text:

        natural d of John & Agatha Ferrers (with caveat "It is known that Agatha was a mistress of John, but it is only supposition that she is the mother of his child)

  3. Chris Given-Wilson & Alice Curteis: The Royal Bastards of Medieval England [S77203]
      • Source text:

        issue of John, no mother

  4. Marlyn Lewis: Ahnentafel for Margery Arundell [S42140]
      • Source text:

        issue of John, no mother

  5. Frederick Lewis Weis: Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 [S72360]
      • Page: line 149B pp 155-156
      • Source text:

        illegitimate d of King John, no mother

  6. Frederick Lewis Weis: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America bef 1760 [S11883]
      • Page: line 236, p 201, line 27
      • Source text:

        natural dau of King John, no mother

  7. Alison Weir: Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy [S146907]
      • Page: p 71
      • Source text:

        natural dau of King John & Clementina, the wife of Henry Pinel, no date

      • Page: p 71
      • Source text:

        d 1237, no place

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      • Citation:

        Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1990, Date of Import: 18 Jul 1996

      • Citation:

        Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1990, Date of Import: 18 Jul 1996

      • Citation:

        Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1990, Date of Import: 18 Jul 1996

      • Citation:

        Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1990, Date of Import: 18 Jul 1996

      • Citation:

        Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1990, Date of Import: 18 Jul 1996

      • Citation:

        Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1990, Date of Import: 18 Jul 1996

      • Citation:

        Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1990, Date of Import: 18 Jul 1996

      • Citation:

        Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1990, Date of Import: 18 Jul 1996

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      • Citation:

        Sharon Kay Penman "Here be Dragons", p. 187

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      • Citation:

        Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1822, Date of Import: 17 Jul 1996

      • Citation:

        Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1822, Date of Import: 17 Jul 1996

      • Citation:

        Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1822, Date of Import: 17 Jul 1996

      • Citation:

        Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1822, Date of Import: 17 Jul 1996

      • Citation:

        Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1822, Date of Import: 17 Jul 1996

      • Citation:

        Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1822, Date of Import: 17 Jul 1996

      • Citation:

        Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1822, Date of Import: 17 Jul 1996

      • Citation:

        Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1822, Date of Import: 17 Jul 1996

      • Citation:

        Sharon Kay Penman "Here be Dragons", p. 187

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      • Source text:

        Date of Import: 21 Feb 1999

      • Source text:

        Date of Import: 21 Feb 1999

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      • Page: Chris Moore
      • Source text:

        b 1191

      • Page: Chris Moore
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      • Page: p 339
      • Citation:

        Sharon Kay Penman "Here be Dragons" p. 339

      • Citation:

        Sharon Kay Penman "Here be Dragons"

      • Page: p 186
  13. Frederick Lewis Weis: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America bef 1760 [S421642]
      • Page: line 254, line 236 p 201, line 176 p 151
      • Source text:

        m 1205, no place

  14. Alison Weir: Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy [S421789]
      • Page: p 71
      • Source text:

        no date/place, had issue

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