of England, Joanna
Birth Name | of England, Joanna 1a 2a 3a 4a 5a 6a 7a 8a 9a 10a |
Gramps ID | I32640 |
Gender | female |
Age at Death | unknown |
Events
Event | Date | Place | Description | Notes | Sources |
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Birth [E43434] | BET. 1188 - 1191 | of London, Middlesex, England |
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Birth [E43435] | BET. 1188 - 1191 |
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Death [E43436] | 1236/7-02-02 (Julian) | Aberconwy, Arllechwedd Uchaf, Caernarvonshire, Wales |
Cause: Chill turned into fever. |
1 11b 2 7b 8c 9c | |
Death [E43437] | 1237 | England |
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Death [E43438] | 1237 | Wales |
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10b | |
_FA1 [E43439] | Interred: Llanfaes, Anglesey, Wales. |
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_FA2 [E43440] | Her husband Prince Llewelyn erected the Friary of Llanfaes over her tomb. |
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_FA3 [E43441] | Her coffin is in the porch of the parish church, Beaumaris, Ynys Mon (Anglesey). |
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_FA4 [E43442] | 1211-08-00 | Begged her father John to spare husband Llywelyn’s life aft 2nd Welsh uprising. |
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1c 8g 12a 9g | |
_FA5 [E43443] | 1212 | Warned John of English baronial opposistion overheard at Welsh court. |
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1d 8h 12b 9h | |
Medical Information [E43444] | Dark hair & coloring. Hazel eyeys. |
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Parents
Relation to main person | Name | Birth date | Death date | Relation within this family (if not by birth) |
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Father | King of England, John Lackland Plantagenet [I30859] | 1167-12-24 | 1216-10-19 | |
Mother | de Ferrers, Agatha [I3098] | 1168 | ||
of England, Joanna [I32640] | BET. 1188 - 1191 | 1236/7-02-02 (Julian) |
Families
  |   | Family of Prince of Wales, Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth and of England, Joanna [F14992] | ||||||||||||||||||
Married | Husband | Prince of Wales, Llywelyn Fawr ap Iorwerth [I28692] ( * 1173 + 1240-04-11 ) | ||||||||||||||||||
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Children |
Name | Birth Date | Death Date |
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verch Llywelyn Fawr, Elen (Helena) of Wales [I36269] | 1207-11-01 | 1253-10-24 |
verch Llywelyn Fawr, Margred Drwyndon of Wales [I33608] | about 1210 | after 1263 |
Llewellyn, Angharad [I28162] |
Event | Date | Place | Description | Notes | Sources |
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Partners (Primary) [E59338] | about 1228-10-00 |
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Narrative
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ES III:356b credits John with two illegitimate children by Agatha de Ferrers
- Joan and Richard.
"Magna Charta Barons" by Charles H. Browning, copyright 1969 (I'm unsure of the overall reliability of this source), gives Joan's mother as Agatha de Ferrers, daughter of Robert de Ferrers, fourth Earl of Derby.
The journal "The Plantagenet Connection" has published an ahnentafel of Elizabeth Plantagenet, wife of Henry VII, which gives Joan's mother's name as Constance (Clementia) of Brittany. This is the same Constance who was married to Geoffrey Plantagenet, John's brother. Considering the well-known animosity between Constance and John and her attempts to press her own son Arthur's interests as far as the throne of England were concerned (whom John murdered with his own hands) the relationship seems unlikely. The Constance that history portrays does not seem as one who John could easily seduce or coerce into bed.
Others suggest her mother was Clemantina, the wife of Henry Pinel.
Penman, Sharon Kay. "Here Be Dragons". New York: Ballatine Books, June
1993.
Penman, Sharon Kay. "Falls The Shaow". New York: Ballatine Books, May
1989.
Lewis, Marlyn (compiler for "The Plantagenet Connection"). "Ahnentafel for
Elizabeth Plantagenet (Wife of Henry Tudor): Generations 1-15". Arvada, CO:
Heliotrope Communications, 1996.
Wurts, John C. "Magna Charta". Copyright 1945.
Browning, Charles H. "Magna Charta Barons". Copyright 1969.
Adams, Arthur and Frederick Weis. "Magna Charta Sureties". Copyright 1955.
Sir J. E. Lloyd's "History of Wales", Vol.II
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